Roy, I have bnot got to get serious with them yet. But, I have got to play with three different Elites on three seperate occassions. Time with each ranged from about 15 minutes to as much as an hour and a half. I thought they were great. Apparently most people don't have the same high opinion that I do. Maybe you finally brainwashed me into liking anything that says Elite. For the money is debateable. I thought they were actually better than some binos costing more, but at the same time I found them comparable to others costing a little less. If I needed/wanted them, I would not hesitate to purchase them.