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I hate choices.. just when I think I know what I'm going to do, something else pops up. 

 

Earlier I asked about a comparison between the Bushnell 4200 6x24 and Zeiss Conquest 6.5 x 20.  Opinions varied but overall I think the answer was the Zeiss might have slightly better glass but the 4200 was the better buy for the money, a savings of $225 based on the specific scopes I located.

 

Now I see someone has the Meopta Meostar 4x16 for a price about $75 higher than the Bushnell 4200 I had settled upon.  The magnification is a bit less but now I doubt I would really use the extra power.

 

So what say ye.. Meostar vs 4200.  (I know that JonBravodo will champion it.. he seems to be the only regular Meopta booster! )

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Joe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have no personal experience with the Meopta! However, one of the good ways to compare scopes is through their price and what you get for the price. Since the Meopta is only $75 more as opposed to $200 or several hundred more, one could conclude that the optical clarity between the 4200 and the Meopta may be to close to call.............That leaves the scopes construction and durability. I believe that in an earlier post to you, I covered the Elite`s one piece main tube construction consisting of aluminum and titanium.........You need to know what construction the Meopta uses for the main tube!!! Is it comparable to, equal to, or does it exceed the 4200?.......At that price the Meopta should certainly have FULLY coated optics! Does the Meopta`s optics compare to, equal or exceed the 4200? Even with the Rainguard??? If so, then how?...................If you conclude that the Meopta equals or exceeds the 4200 in most categories, the extra $75 may be worth it..........But! Since the price between the two are close, my gutt instinct tells me that the Meopta will be comparible,,, in some ways equal,,,, though in most ways,,,,, will not exceed the 4200!!!!!! For the money, I don`t see any other manufacturer exceeding the 4200`s main tube construction and offfering  a similiar Rainguard lens feature that betters the 4200 as well!!!!!....................Good luck!!!!!!!
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You can get the conquest 6.5x20x50 for 650.00 and you wont be sorry
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Meopta Meostar has better glass than Elite 4200, and, to my eyes, a little better than the Conquest as well.  If it is only $75 more than the Elite 4200, I would certainly go for the Meopta.

The "construction of aluminum and titanium" is a nice advertising pitch, but nothing beyond that.  No reputable manufacturer uses pure aluminum for scope tubes.  It is always an aluminum alloy of some sort, and just about all suitabe aluminum alloys have some titanium in them.  The "aircraft grade aluminum" that is often mentioned is the most common material for scope tubes (and ar-15 receivers for that matter), and all aircraft grade aluminum alloys have titanium in them along with several other alloying elements (silicon, copper, manganese and zink, for example, are present in vast majority of aluminum alloys along with titanium).

Elite 4200 Rainguard coatings, while having some effect are not the panacea to all fogging/moisture issues.  While they help somewhat, Rainguard equipped scopes still fog up nearly as much as other scopes (I am not the only on with that observation).

Elite 4200 is a very nice scope for the money, but Meopta Meostar is a superior product.  Whether the difference is worth the money is a personal choice, of course, and depends a lot on the conditions you expect to encounter.  The biggest difference will be in low light where Meostar scopes do exceeedingly well.

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I am, indeed, a fan of the meostar - it beats every 4200 and conquest i have had. but not by a landslide.

I can't believe more folks don't know about this brand > it's top quality.

it's really good glass and i love the #4 reticle in mine.

 

if you aren't shooting a cannon, the meostar is a great scope (eye relief is on the smaller side compared to conquest)

 

see if you can put your hands on all of them and just pick one - they are all excellent scopes.

 

I give the slight nod to the meostar. Mine is great.

 

J

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One thing (or two) I would consider before I make a purchase is: WARRANTY and CUSTOMER SERVICE. Like Koshkin said
Meopta is a superior product (optical point of view) , but S@%T happend and you need to make sure Meopta has good
customer service , to avoid frustration and hours on the phone.
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Here are some observations from our host regarding Meopta.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6050&KW=me opta&TPN=1

 

Maybe things have changed. Meopta is advertising heavily in many outdoor magazines these days. Predator Extreme and Sports Afield are a few examples.

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Hi Joe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It just so happens that I stopped by my gunsmith`s early this morning and dropped off my rifle for some custom stock work...........He sells name brand rifles, scopes and does custom work as well. He also does consignments, estate sales involving liquidations and so forth. Sometimes the very guns he sells new, wind up returning to him as consignments...............In nosing around, guess what I saw mounted to a Browning A-Bolt consignment rifle? A 1 year old Meopta Meostar, 3.5 X 10 mounted to that same Browning, which he sold new to his customer in 6/06, who recently passed away. The family who did not want the rifle, turned it over to be sold on a consignment basis..................Well! I could not resist comparing my Elite 4200 to the Meopta. Behind the shop, I was allowed to set up a card table, chair along with a tripod to give both a fair and equal comparison........For an hour, I went back and forth, back and forth, in all magnifications, viewing different targets at different ranges!................Like the Zeiss Conquest, the Meopta does hold a very slight edge in the brightness category, but not enough to really become zealous over!..........As far as clarity and resolution are concerned??  On this beautiful morning, the 4200 was just as clear and resolute in all magnifications as the Meopta! I even asked my gunsmith to come out and take a few peeks. He concurred with me! The Meopta is slightly brighter,,,but that`s it!!!!!...................In my case, I paid $299 for my 3X9 Elite 4200. The 3.5 X 10, (comparable variable) in the Meopta is about $300 more????????? Worth it for me???? I don`t think so!!!!......However, your price points, compared to mine, is alot closer between these two scopes....If brightness is important to you, the Meopta will have the slight edge. But, in no other category is the Meopta better than the Elite 4200..........Earlier postings have said that the Meopta`s glass is better! How so??? And why??? Be specific!!!..........If so, then other than brightness, why could I or my gunsmith, not see any difference?????? Veeeedy interesting!!!!By the way, my vision is almost perfect!............
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BIG SQUEEZE!!!!,,,,,,,,,NOT trying to pick on you...in any way, BUDDY,,,,,,,,and..................perhaps this is just the.......WAY.......you type.....,,,,,OR!!!!!!, you're just.........trying to add....extra emphasis...to what you're saying............to more closely REFLECT...... the cadence and intonation that people TEND to use.............in normal speech,,,,,,,,,,........BUT!!!!!!  I'm curious, and I CAN'T help but...... ask,,,,,,, do you ACTUALLY...... find this style of posting easier to read.................... not to mention, easier to TYPE!!!!!,,,,,,, than simply typing STRAIGHTFORWARD....sentences without the extra ,,,,,,,,,,'s, ...........'s, ??????????????'s, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'s, and ALL CAPS??????????????  For example:

 

Every scope manufacturer I'm aware of uses scope tubes made out of 6061T6 machined aluminum or similar alloys, which, besides aluminum itself, contains Titanium, Chromium, Copper, Iron, Magnesium, Manganese, Silicon, and Zinc.  The Bushnell ads touting their aluminum/titanium tube construction is nothing more than marketing hype straight out of the Leupold marketing handbook to describe the same "aircraft grade" aluminum alloy that every single reputable scope manufacturer uses.  Besides, of all the things that can plague a scope, do you ever hear of cases of scope tubes failing?  If they encounter an impact force great enough to bend or break the tube, all of them will fail, and the scope with the thickest tube wall will be the "strongest."

 

The Elite 4200 is no doubt a fine scope, and represents one of the best values on the market, but in order to make a fair comparison between the optics of any 2 scopes, you have to evaluate them in a variety of different light and environmental conditions.  A "few peeks" and short comparison at the range doesn't tell you much.  Even then, depending on the price difference, only the individual can determine if the difference is worth the extra $ between the 4200 and the more costly scope.

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Hey RifleDude,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Sounds and looks as though you have a problem with my style of typing and/or the way I use proper english!!!.......Interestingly, in business or otherwise, I have never had a complaint from anyone, until now. That tells me that you are a minority microscopic spec, a single grain of sand on a large beach with that opinion!!! Don`t worry though, I won`t take it personal, especially from someone whom I will never have any face to face contact with!!! How am I doing so far??? Commas and periods in the right place??? Too many question marks??? Hey! I don`t see too many caps!!!! OOOPS, to many exclaimation points there.......................Back to biz here. Of course every company has a "sales pitch"......It`s called marketing! Know what that is? Bushnell is no different from anyone else. Is Bushnell deliberately lying about their tubes? Do you know for a fact they are lying? There is a difference between a lie and a sales pitch!!!!............Every scope tube will have it`s breaking point. Not disputing that. All scope manufactureres have their little sales pitches. Meopta has theirs too. The entire point or subject matter in this post was discussing the differences between two scopes and what your buying for the money......As with my experience this morning, I see the Meopta as a slightly brighter scope but not a better scope.. My gunsmith had a few peeks. I had far more than a few peeks this morning, looking and focusing at trees, signs, car insignias, flys on white brick walls, telephone poles, people, different colored backgrounds or anything you can imagine and all at different ranges. I also checked for color differences as well between the two! I was crawling through that Meopta for over an hour......................By the way, these periods.............seperate the paragraphs from each other, or as the subject changes, but I`m sure you already knew that!................So! How did I do? A little better this time???  Did you read it OK? Don`t want to over excersize your mind too much!!!!! OOOPS!!!! Too damn many exclaimation points!!! AGAIN!!!!!   
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Hey, Squeeze, lighten up!  Just illustrating the fact that sometimes your points - and likewise, the reader's ability to easily follow your train of thought - gets lost in all the excess punctuation, making your posts unnecessarily hard to read.  My comments weren't a complaint; more than anything else, I'm curious as to why you would consciously choose to frequently interrupt the flow of your sentences with 40 punctuation marks in succession as your normal mode of conversing when you don't have to.  I'm also quite amazed that you can evidently make the same keystrokes over and over again in rapid succession with no lasting ill effects.  Personally, I think I would develop a nasty case of carpal tunnel syndrome from the practice!  If this upsets you, you wouldn't fare too well in any social settings I've ever seen involving a group of guys, where a little ribbing of each other is not only commonplace, but practically expected.  If nobody's ever mentioned this to you, then I'd venture to say they either ignore it, as perhaps I should have done, or they're just being polite, because I highly doubt I'm "in the minority, a microscopic spec, a single grain of sand" on this.  But hey, by all means, type however you wish. 

 

As for the Bushnell scope tube thing, you missed my point, which is simply that they buy the same alloy bar stock as most other reputable scope manufacturers.  You stated their tubes were superior to competing tubes strength-wise, and that simply isn't true.  There's little to no difference between Bushnell's tubes and their competition, and every scope tube from any reputable brand is more than strong enough for its intended use.  Aluminum by itself, not alloyed with other elements (including titanium), is never used in any structural applications.  All "aircraft aluminum" alloy contains some titanium, among other elements.  It's the same scenario as Leupold's ad copy where they describe their coatings as if they are onto something revolutionary, when every decent optics manufacturer uses a variation of the same processes, some just more effectively than others.  In neither case are they lying or even being unethical, it's just that they're taking something that is very commonplace among their competitors and using it as a marketing tool to make it sound like their product has superior qualities to their competitors.

 

As for the comparison between the 4200 and Meopta, I didn't comment about the superiority of one vs. the other in any way.  In fact, I can't even comment on the Meopta, as I've never looked through one outside of a store.  I only stated that it sounded from your post that you and your smith were basing your conclusions about the Meopta from an hours' worth of viewing and a few peeks, respectively (your words), which wouldn't represent all the lighting and environmental conditions necessary to truly compare the optics.  I wasn't in any way criticizing your opinion and in fact said very clearly that whether or not the higher priced Meopta is worth the extra $ over the 4200 is a subjective, individual determination.



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RifleDude...................As the `ol sayings goes,,,,,,,"If you don`t like what is on your radio, turn the dial!!!.......If you don`t like what is on your TV, change the channel........If you don`t like the excessive punctuation, don`t read the posts!.........The last thing that I am going to do, is to change my typing habits to conform to those who cannot understand or who choose not to, when it is very simple to understand............Yes, the exclaimation points are there for emphasis! Yes, other things are used to seperate or highlight points and opinions! SO WHAT!............There are many people out there who cannot or will not use a comma, capitals, periods, etc. to save their rear ends. Those keys simply do not exist on their keyboards. Well; they exist on mine!...........................Anything discussed earlier by me with regard to the tubing and it`s strength comes directly from Bushnell, not from me. THEY SAY, that their tubes are 30 % stronger than standard aluminum tubes. If not true, then Bushnell should be held accountable. Whether that`s true or not, cannot be determined by you or I. That is their sales pitch, which is stated in their brochure packet. The only conclusive way to know for sure would be through lab experiments, testing the stress or breaking points of the many scopes available. I plan to call Bushnell headquarters and go straight to the source, asking about their tubes and finding out first hand why their conclusions are so and based on what findings......................The bottom line is this. Mr. Joe will buy a scope that he feels happy with and is happy with. Whether it`s a Leupold, Nikon, Zeiss, Meopta, a 4200, a Swaro, a Kahles, a Burris or whatever. What really matters is him and what he likes! Our biased opinions, personal preferences, our experiences, even though asked for, are irrelevant to the overall picture and sometimes, they do get carried away through meaningless digressions and B.S.................Believe me when I say that in my 55 years, I have handled gracefully, far more kidding around under all possible social settings then you can even imagine. I can take it, but I can also dish it out too!.......By the way, one of my majors in college was English!!! 
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