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I finally went out and bought 3-9x 4200.  The scope seems pretty decent but I haven't looked at dusk yet.  I brought it to the range last night and the click windage and elevation turrets seem very tight.  In addition, when I made adjustments they didn't seem too accurate.  For instance after bore sighting the gun was shooting about 5 inches high and 3 inches to the right.  I made the adjustment, 20 clicks down and 12 to the left.  When I took my next shot the bullet elevation was perfect but the windage didn't move hardly at all.  I'm sure the scope is mounted correctly because I was testing some new handloads and a few five shot groups were 3/4 of an inch.   Does anyone else have these issues?  Are other's finger adjustable turrets really tight?  It not that easy to get them to move.  Also, the scope seems pretty clear but I really thought it would be a more noticeable difference at the range over my old simmons prohunter.  The biggest difference i noticed is that the simmons isn't as clear towards the edges and the 4200 was a bit brighter.  Overall clarity in the center didn't seem to be much different.
 
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Did you center the reticle and make sure it ended up pretty well aligned with the bore while mounting the scope? If it isn't, adjustment accuracy can be affected.
 
Also, how tightly did you screw down the rings? This can affect adjustments as well, including stiffness.
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I've got two Elite 4200's... a 3-9 X 40 and a 4-16 X 40. Neither has exhibited tight (to turn) turrets and they have tracked pretty well. Maybe you got a lemon. See what some of the pros on here have to say.  Smile
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I didn't center the reticle, being that the scope is new I figured it would be somewhat centered.  Also, I mounted it in talley lightweights which, as far as I can tell, wouldn't allow me to make any adjustments to the rings/bases anyway.  As far as tightness to the rings, I don't have a torque wrench but I tightened them down pretty well, I will try loosening them a bit.
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I have three of those and they all track very well and adjust easily. 
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Hmmmm... I have never had that problem with mine. 
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One of the very reasons I started buying 4200's was because of the way the track and hold zero. As John Barsness stated, start by centering the reticle by using the mirror trick. Then remount the scope. If you are using wind-age adjustable mounts, use the wind-age adjustments on the bases to get you close to zero with a bore-sighter.
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Originally posted by MikeStaten MikeStaten wrote:

  As far as tightness to the rings, I don't have a torque wrench but I tightened them down pretty well, I will try loosening them a bit.


Most ring caps only need about 15-18 in lbs (a few brands like Warne say 25).  Note that is inch pounds, not foot pounds.  That is not much at all.  You can usually accomplish that much with your thumb and two fingers on a nut driver.  Over tightening of the ring caps can damage a scope in a hurry, sometimes permanently. 
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+1 on what tool said about tightening rings.  I use their wrench, my thumb holding it in and my index finger to tighten it hand tight.
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If it is mounted properly then I would say you got a bad scope.  The 4200 Elite I have tracks and holds zero as well as the one my cousin uses. 
 
As far as optical performance I have taken the 4200 Elite out side by side comparision to a Pentax Light Seeker, Leupold VXIII and a Zeiss Conquest and the 4200 Elite beat both the Pentax LS and the Leupold.  It was right there optically to the Conquest, I would give the conquest the edge (very very slight edge) when comparing side by side at dusk and sundown. 
 
Both scopes would allow a hunter in the field to hunt past legal and eithical shooting hours.
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One last question..  when you bought your scope was the scope box sealed in plastic or did it just have the box sealed with two round tape discs holding the box closed?  I'm wondering if I was sold a defective scope.  However, there were no scope ring marks on the tube so that would be a little odd.
 
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Pretty sure mine all had the round tape disc's. I don't think Bushnell uses shrink rap on the Elite boxes.
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Mike,

You can make some vertical adjustment to the Talley Lightweights by placing shims under the rings bases. Horizontal adjustment is another deal entirely.

When mounting any scope it really helps to have the reticle centered and reasonably well aligned with the bore. Scopes usually do come from the factory with the reticle centered but I always check anyway. To align the scope with the bore a collimator is best, but it can be done by bore-sighting.

Not having the scope aligned reasonably well can result in some really weird stuff. I have even seen the reticle follow a double-curve path on a collimator grid while I turned the adjustments. Over-tightening the ring screws can also result in some very strange adjustment results.
 
Of course, you could just have a bad scope. I have had my share of those over the years too!
 
 
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Thanks for all of the responses.  I'm going to re-set the scope to zero and see how far it's off with my boresighter.  I'll also lighten up on the rings. I checked them and they really weren't all that tight.  I have limited experience with the finger adjustable windage and elevation so maybe they are always this tight.  I'll check the tracking next time im at the range. 

Thanks again,
Mike
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