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I've found this scope in the $600.00 price range in a few places, it seems like a good deal.  In the past I have been pretty satisfied with the 4200 series of these scopes.  There isn't a whole lot of technical information on the Bushnell site about the 6500 series scopes (what's different, if anything) or about how the "side focus" functions or what exactly it is for either.  Do any of you have any experience with these scopes?
 
Is there a better scope out there for the money?  I'm not really interested in zooming past 10 power, and really the main thing I DON'T like about this scope is the "side focus" and the "push/pull turrents".  The "side focus" sounds like it may work similarly to my old Leupold 4.5-14x50 with the AO on the objective lens, I usually found this to be less than useful.  I do like the 30mm tube and of course the price compared to similar Leupolds, Zeiss and Swarovski scopes.  I just can't pay over about $700 for one at this time.
 
I've look at the Leupold's and never really felt like they are the best deal or the brightest, but they do seem very reliable over time.  The cheaper Nikon's seem to be better than most of the other "cheaper" scopes, but to me anything over about $300.00 ain't cheap anymore...
 
This will be a deer hunting (in the treestand) scope, so light gathering and reliability are most important factors.  I would think that the 30mm tube would help alot (although I've never actually owned one).  Insight on this scope or any better scope in this price range would be helpful.
 
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I checked one out recently and thought the glass and eye relief were quite good. I thought the push/pull turrets might be too easy to mess up, especially with gloves on. But maybe I was misunderstanding how they work.
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The 30mm tube will not affect light transmission. That is a function of objective lens diameter/exit pupil, lens quality and coatings.
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Would a similarly constructed scope with a 30mm tube verses a 1" tube automatically have a larger exit pupil?  What is the purpose of the 30mm tube if it doesn't affect light transmission?
 
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The tube diameter has no affect on exit pupil. The exit pupil is equal to the objective lens diameter divided by the magnification. Example: 42mm lens at 6x----->42/6=7mm exit pupil
The 30mm tubes generally give you more adjustment range and they are stiffer than a 1" tube. They also look better with the larger objectives IMO.
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If you are not interested in zooming that high, and don't need or want the side focus, and if low light is a priority, than this is a much better option for the money.
 
 
Here are some others to look at.
 
 
From the samplelist.com
 
8183 Kahles 3-10x50 Helia CL Multizero 51723, Matte finish, 1" tube, plex reticle, side focus, fast focus eye piece, allows you to zero your scope at five different ranges, close to new condition. $1,315.00 $749.95
 
This may be the nicest of the bunch.
 
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I 2nd the Kahles CL..... I have one in non-multizero and its awesome!  Its low light capabilities is off the chart! 
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So, the advantage of the 30mm tube is nothing to do with light gathering?  It is all about looks, stiffness (is this of significant value?), and adjustment range (of point of impact, I assume)?

This is enlightening to me...

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It also adds weight and bulk.Smile
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I am thinking about going with a fixed power scope.  I can't really shoot well past 300 yards anyways (wouldn't take a shot past 400 yards...).  What would you recommend in a fixed power scope of high quality in the $500-700 price range?

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If this for hunting from a stand at moderate ranges, and if low light performance is important, take a look at Meopta's 7x56 Meostar scope:
http://www.swfa.com/pc-9124-1134-new-meopta-7x56-meostar-r1-rifle-scope.aspx


It is optically excellent and works beautifully in low light conditions.

For something a little smaller, you best bet for the money is IOR 6x42:
http://www.swfa.com/pc-10199-291-ior-6x42-hunting-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx


I've got one of these and could not be happier.  Optically, IOR is a touch better than Meopta, but Meopta has an edge in magnification.

These would be the fixed power scopes I would recommend.

Among the variables, if you do not need high magnification than Elite 6500 does not make a whole lot of sense.  It is an excellent scope, but Elite 4200 is about the same optically for less money.  For your needs, I would take a look at this one:
http://www.swfa.com/pc-7279-185-bushnell-25-10x50-elite-4200-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx


Also, the 3-9x50 Conquest recommended in one of the posts above is a good choice.

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I'll add a push for the Kahles.  Have several CLs and really like them, Multizero or not!
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