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Hello.  I am looking for a good scope in the $200 -$250 range.  I will be mounting it on an ARMS 2 rail (not sure about the rings?) on a Bushmaster A2.  I will be shooting hogs, coyotes and bad guys at around 75 - 300 yds.  I've done some reading and it looks like the Burris Fullfield II 1.75 5x20 is a pretty good choice (and it looks like you can get it online for under $200.    Any tips, pointers or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Any other scopes fit the bill?

 

 Thanks and happy shooting.

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In your price range, that's probably the best choice for a low range variable.

The only suggestion I can make is to get it with a 3P#4 reticle, which allows for a very fast target acquisition.

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Originally posted by hogsmustpay hogsmustpay wrote:

I will be shooting hogs, coyotes and bad guys at around 75 - 300 yds. 

 

Welcome to The OT!!!!

 

Do you mean "bad guys" as in bad guys in a dry, rather sandy enviorment, waving a AK and wearing tennis shoes???? 

That type of bad guys??

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Cheap---only if I am lucky.

 

  Koshkin--- Any recommendations if I want to stretch out to $300?  Also, I can't locate a burris dealer in my area and I am a little hesitant about ordering online (sight unseen).  Some websites have the Burris 1.75 5x20  for 175-200 and some have it for $285.  Any info on the price discrepancy?

 

  Going to mount it on an ARMS 2 with detachable (weaver) rings. (unless that is a bad call). I'm so excited, I just can't hide it.

 

  One more. While I know a rifle/scope is only as good as the shooter, will that power scope give me the ability to occasionally reach out and touch a coyote/hog at, say, 300 yrd (or will they be dot)?  Thanks for the tip re reticle...most of my shooting will be quick target acquisition under 250 yds. 

 

Thanks again.

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At 5x a coyote standing at 300 yards looks the same size as a coyote standing at 60 yards looks to the naked eye.

As for the price, it should be under $200.

Weaver rings are OK.  For comparatively inexpensive QD rings, I like Warne Maxima rings.

If you stretch your budget to under $300 there is really not a whole lot available that is better than Fullfield II.

You may consider Sightron S2 2.5-7x32 or Nikoon Monarhc 2-7x32.

I would probably stick with the FF2 1.75-5x20 with 3P#4 reticle.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

At 5x a coyote standing at 300 yards looks the same size as a coyote standing at 60 yards looks to the naked eye.

As for the price, it should be under $200.

Weaver rings are OK.  For comparatively inexpensive QD rings, I like Warne Maxima rings.

If you stretch your budget to under $300 there is really not a whole lot available that is better than Fullfield II.

You may consider Sightron S2 2.5-7x32 or Nikoon Monarhc 2-7x32.

I would probably stick with the FF2 1.75-5x20 with 3P#4 reticle.

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He's got a A2 receiver, Bro.

Anybody make a decent scope mount for the carry handle??

Good suggestions, as always.

Even threw a bone to 'ol Nikon, eh??  Was that a type o?? 

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I would HIGHLY recommend you got to AR15.com and do some recon on the carry handle scope mounts.

I don't know of any worth a damn.

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Sorry, did not mean to get you all excited cheaptrick.

I was just trying to demonstrate that there is a choice for the unenlightened

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Originally posted by hogsmustpay hogsmustpay wrote:

Any recommendations if I want to stretch out to $300?  Also, I can't locate a burris dealer in my area and I am a little hesitant about ordering online (sight unseen).  Some websites have the Burris 1.75 5x20  for 175-200 and some have it for $285.  Any info on the price discrepancy?

 

Unfortunately many retailers sell scopes at prices much higher than online stores, because of people with opinions similar to yours, so they will pay the extra buck. The best thing to do if you want to see it for yourself is to simply go to a retailer and examine there scopes on display (Pretend like you are uninterested with all of them), make a note of the make and model that you want, then order the same thing online.

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Real quick...

 

 The ARMS 2 will mount on the handle and I can attach the warne rings to the arms rail...correct?

 

sorry--new to this

 

 

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yes, but you should still go to AR15.com do some research

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He's got a A2 receiver, Bro.

Anybody make a decent scope mount for the carry handle??

Good suggestions, as always.

Even threw a bone to 'ol Nikon, eh??  Was that a type o?? 

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  What is cheap talking about?  Will this combo not work (or is it a poor choice for what I want to do)...remeber, I can't find a dealer in my area, so this is sight unseen:

 

   A2, ARMS 2, QD Rings, Burris Fullfield II 1.75-5x20

 

 Thanks again.

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Cheaptrick is implying that before worrying about scopes, you have to make sure that your carry hadle mount is sufficiently sturdy.  The best place to ask question about that is on ar15.com

If you carry handle mount works well, then you have a good setup.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Cheaptrick is implying that before worrying about scopes, you have to make sure that your carry hadle mount is sufficiently sturdy.  The best place to ask question about that is on ar15.com

If you carry handle mount works well, then you have a good setup.

ILya

 

Right!!

All I know is an A2 receiver is a great system if your running iron sites, but a little fickle when you want to put an optic on it. (I didn't know any A2 mount to recommend is all.)

That's why I prefer an A3 receiver for optics mounting. Much easier!!

If you have a proven A2 mount, then your all set!!   

 

 

Best wishes...

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Thanks.  One more question.  I found this scope on SWFA's samplelist

 

Burris 2-7x32 Short Mag Click for Picture 201330, Matte finish, 1" tube, plex reticle, finger adjustable knobs, light ring marks, close to new condition. $472.00 $249.95

 

Its a little higher, but if it is a good deal better....why not?

 

 Also, http://www.swfa.com/p-6486-burris-2-7x36-mini-compact-rifle- scope.aspx

 

  any tips?  probably just stick with the 1.75x5!   Money!

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It is a nice scope. but for your purposes a 1.75-5x20 with 3P#4 reticle is a better way to go.

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Went to shoot the new rifle with iron sights (still debating optics)...pure joy.  Shot 740 rounds through it at the range.  The peep sight takes some learning.  Probably going with the Burris 1.75X5X20 with the zee line rings on the ARMS 2.  Thanks for all the input and feedback.  I will post again after I get the scope set up.  Cold Air.  I might get a high end ACOG trijicon, but I am pretty sure that scope comes with a divorce?

 

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Originally posted by hogsmustpay hogsmustpay wrote:

Went to shoot the new rifle with iron sights (still debating optics)...pure joy.  Shot 740 rounds through it at the range.  The peep sight takes some learning.  Probably going with the Burris 1.75X5X20 with the zee line rings on the ARMS 2.  Thanks for all the input and feedback.  I will post again after I get the scope set up.  Cold Air.  I might get a high end ACOG trijicon, but I am pretty sure that scope comes with a divorce?

 

-Thanks

 

Ah yes, iron sights!!

I believe everyone should master the irons first.

 

I'm going back to iron sights myself, while I decide on an optic for my new AR build. Aimpoint or Eotech.

 

What kind of stock on that AR??

 

Be sure to check out the sticky on top of the Tactical Forum about Acogs.

It was written by a real-deal former Marine that used Acogs while in harms way named Mithran.

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Ok.  Thanks for all the help.  Couple more questions before I pull the trigger.   Your thoughts on the:

 

Burris 2-7x26 Mini / Compact Rifle Scope

 

 The eye relief looks very nice and it has slightly higher variable power (and it is only $50 more than the 1.75X5X20).  I guess my questions is, why is the 1.75X5 better than this scope? (For my use, which is 75yd - 300yd shooting of coyotes, hogs, chupacabras, etc...)

 

  Would the burris super low zee rings be too low (on top of the carry handle/A2)? i.e., would the front sight be in the scope picture? 

 

Thanks again for all your help.

 

 

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More eye relief is not necessarily a good thing on an AR-15.  You do not need to wrry about recoil and with longer eye relief you give  up some field of view.  Optical quality of Fullfield II and Short Mag scopes is about the same.  For the ranges you plan to shoot at, a little more magnification does not make any difference whatsoever.  If you want fast target acquistion, I strongly recommend a 3p#4 reticle which, to the best of my knowledge is not available in a 2-7x26.

If you really want a slightly higher magnification scope, consider Fullfield II 2-7x35.

As for Burris Super Low rings, I'd be surprised if you could see the front sight at higher magnification.  On a lower magnification, i would not rule it out.

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Ok.  I ordered the 1.75-5X20 and received an email that the scope is backorderd for 2-4 weeks (that was their best guess). Darn it.  Well, I need it sooner than that.  So I guess I will go with the Fullfield II 2-7x35.  Unless anyone thinks it is worth it to step up to an IOR or something in the 300 - 400 range.

 

  Thanks again.

 

 

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If you can afford it stepping up to an IOR is not a bad idea, but it is a lot more money since a most suitable IOR is 1.1-4x26.

I have a FFII 2-7x35 and I like it quite a bit and I am also waiting for another 1.75-5x20.

There are other scopes you can consider in the meantime.  Nikon Monarch 1.5-4.5x20 is pretty good with the only problem being that it has parallz set at 75 yards (I think).

You can also consider Burris SIgnature Safari 1.75-5x32 which is excellent, but may have too much eye relief for you.

Sightron has a 2.5-7x32 with a double diamond reticle which has very fast acquisition (this is a rather affordable scope compared to IOR or Burris SIgnature).

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Koshkin,

 

 Thanks for all the advice.  I ended up going with the Burris FF II 2-7x35 on low zee line rings.  I would have ordered from swfa, but as I mentioned, it was going to be 3-4 weeks.  I used www.scopesandmore.com  Should have the scope tomorrow.  Taking it to the range this weekend.  Will try to post a picture of by "budget" rig sometime in the near future.  Thanks for all your help.  FYI-- The scope and rings ended up being $220, tax, title and license (well within my price range).  Thanks again for all your help. This is a great forum.

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