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Does anyone have any experience with the new (released - May 2005) Burris Xtreme Tactical Riflescopes?  I was wondering how the quality was, compared to a Leupold Mark 4 Tactical, or a Super Sniper Rifle Scope, or a Leatherwood Unidial?

 

I've read up and have done a search (here at SWFA - Optics Talk forum) on the Leupold Mark 4, Super Sniper, and Leatherwood, but I don't know much or anything about the comparison to this new Burris Xtreme Tactical scope?

 

I'm looking for a scope that has some or all of the following features:

(1.) Bullet Drop Compensator capabilities

(2.) 30 mm Tube (40 or 50 mm Lense) to allow for more light.

(3.) Mil-Dot Recticle

(4.) Lense Coatings which enhances vision at low light conditions (95+ transmission)

(5.) External "Target-like" Windage and Elevation Turrets

(6.) Variable Zoom (3x or 4x or 6x - to - 10x or 12x or 16x by 40mm or 50mm)

(7.) Reasonably priced (budget restrictions).

(8.) Well constructed (Durable - heavy duty)

(9.) Good Lenses

 

 

I'm looking to buy one of these models, but have some cost - benefit reservations because of the following reasons:

(1.) Leupold Mark 4 Tactical - (fits most of what I'm looking for) but prices are slightly out of my range.

(2.) Super Sniper - (fits some of what I'm looking for) but fixed zoom presents problems at close range.

(3.) Leatherwood Unidial - (fits most of what I'm looking for) but I heard the lenses are not good, and it only has 1" tube, not good light transmission.

 

Any additional suggestions besides these scopes or about these comparisons?

 

 

Check out these links for more info:

http://www.burrisoptics.com/tactical.html

http://www.riflescopes.com/departments/591/rifle_scopes/burr is_rifle_scopes/burris_xtreme_tactical_rifle_scopes.htm

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

 

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Matt, I'd like to make a few comments on your post.

 

30mm tube:  30mm tube does not let in more light.  It has absolutely no effect on the optical quality of the scope.  It is a very common misconception. You can do a search on this forum.  It has been discussed in some length.  30mm scope tube allows for a larger adjustment range and, all other things being equal, makes the scope a little more rigid.

 

Light transmission and other optical performance parameters depend only on the quality of the lenses, coatings, optical design and control of interior glare off of the metalic components.

 

For the money, Super Sniper can't be beat. 

Leupolds are nice scope, but tend to be overpriced.  If you can afford Leupold you should also look at Nikon Tactical scopes.

Leatherwood, by general consensus, I think, has been declared to be Chicom crap.

Burris Xtreme scopes are basically same as Euro Diamond and Black Diamond scopes from Burris.  Different adjustment turrets and creative marketing are the only diferences. You can look for reviews on them on this forum.

Another scope that I can add to the mix is Sightron S3 (S2 is also very good, but has a 1" tube).  They have a several models that fit your requirements and they have some of the best adjustments in the industry.

Another scope that you might be interested in is Weaver Tactical.  Although it only has 1" tube, it does have a lot of interesting features, including a FFP reticle.

 

If you decide to go with a fixed magnification scope, Super Sniper in 10x42 configuration is great.  If you want to go with a 6x42 scope IOR is the way to go.

 

Good luck choosing :)

Ilya

 

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IIlya,

 Thank you for the clarification on the 30mm tube.  I've heard too many bad things about Leatherwood, so I can probably cross them off my list unless I hear something good about them.  Also, I've heard too many good things about the Tasco Super Sniper Scope, so I don't think I'll pass one of these up.  I think I might reconsider buying the Burris Xtreme if it is what you really say it is,... a marketing tactic.    However, I have heard/read alot of good things about Burris Fullfield II rifle scope... what is your personal take on them?

  Also, somebody recommended a "Barska" SWAT rifle scope to me.  I haven't even looked into these, or heard much about them.   What do you know about Barska's quality?

  I'll look up some information on the Weaver Tactical, the IOR, and Sightron S3... thanks for the recommendations.

Thanks,

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Burris Xtreme scopes are more than just marketing.  They do have different turrets (it is enough of a difference for Leupold, for example, to create completely different product lines).  You were asking about their optical quality. SInce it is the same as Black Diamond and Euro Diamond, I suggested you look them up (personally, I'll take these top of the line Burris scopes over their Leupold counterparts any day).

 

Barska is Chicom crap just like Leatherwood.

 

I like Burris scopes very much, personally.  I own a Fullfield II and a compact scope from Burris and I think they are great for the money (I've also used most other Burris scopes a fair bit).  However, optically, Sightron S2 is better for similar money.  Burris Signature Select, Black Diamond and Euro Diamond are very good optically as well and very tough.  If I were you I would not discard 1" scopes since they are usually lighter and have a lot of options.

 

With all that being said, Super Sniper 10x42 for $299 is an absolute steal.

 

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Ilya,

 Thanks for your response.  (Here's one for the marketing).  How come I can't find the Sightron product line at SWFA?

 

 Which one would you choose (overall): (comparison due to similar price range)

 

(1.) Sightron II 3x12-42 (Competition/Tactical Riflescope)

http://www.competitor.net/outdoor_sports/Sightron/Sight ron-312X42MD-Scopes.html

 

(2.) Burris Fullfield II 3x9-50 (With target turrets)

http://www.competitor.net/burris-3-9x50mm-fullfield-ii-rif le-scope.html

 

(3.) Super Sniper 10x42

http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS10X42/super_sniper_10x 42_30mm_rifle_scope.htm

 

Also, just to clear things up... do you work for any of these manufacturers (i.e. Burris, Sightron, Super Sniper, or other)?  If you don't want to say, that is fine.  I'm just trying to clear up any possible internal sales motivators as influential factors for my choice.

 

Thanks again for your help,

Matt

 

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Ilya,

 I apologize that second link for the Burris Fullfield II 3x9-50 (with target turrets) should be from "competitor" .com

 

 

http://www.competitor.net/burris-3-9x50mm-fullfield-ii-rif le-scope.html

 

-Matt

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Ilya,

 The link still isn't posting right. just add a "w" in front of the second link.

 

 Which one would you choose (overall): (comparison due to similar price range)

 

(1.) Sightron II 3x12-42 (Competition/Tactical Riflescope) $319.00

http://www.competitor.net/outdoor_sports/Sightron/Sight ron-312X42MD-Scopes.html

 

(2.) Burris Fullfield II 3x9-50 (With target turrets) $304.99

ww.competitor.net/burris-3-9x50mm-fullfield-ii-rif le-scope.html

 

(3.) Super Sniper 10x42 $299.00

http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS10X42/super_sniper_10x 42_30mm_rifle_scope.htm

 

Thanks again for your help,

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SWFA is talking to Sightron right now.  I think they'll start carrying Sightron scopes. ANyhow, they can order one for you.

As for what I would choose out of those three, I'd take the Sightron for most applications.  Fixed 10x is not ideal for all round purposes.  As for Fullfield II, Sightron S2 is a better scope in my opinion.  I own a Sightron S2 3-9x42 with MilDot (I bought it before they cam out with a 3-12x42MD) and it is very good.

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Illya,

  I'm currently trying to compare two scopes, for consideration, as based on some of your advice and looking for further input.

 

(1.) IOR 3x9-42 Hunter Scope (30mm) $379

(2.) Sightron SII 4x16-42 (Mil-Dot w/ Target Turrets) (1 inch tube - Stainless steel) $369

 

My questions to you:

 

I can't find much information about this particular IOR Model (IOR V39X42H1), so I don't know what recticle (hope Mil-Dot) it has or what kind of wind-elev adjustments it has (hope target style)?  Do you know if this model is outdated (since it is not listed on IOR's website)?  Or if it is similar to their other hunting scope models, in terms of recticle and turrets?

 

The other two I am considering, besides these two (listed above) are:

 

(3.) Leupold Mark 4 3x9-40mm PR (Mil-Dot) (1inch)  $350

(4.) Weaver 3x9-40mm Tacticle (Mil-Dot) (Target Turrets) (1inch) $369

 

Given the prices (I was able to find) and the other options, which one is the best buy for the features and price? Which one would you choose?

 

Thanks,

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A lot depends on the kind of rifle you want to put this on.  I like IOR optics very much, but I am not familiar with a 3-9x42 scope.  I suspect that it is an earlier 1" tube hunting model.  I've seen some of these (different magnification though) and they had German #1 reticle, so do not assume it is a mildot.  The last remaining scope from that design is a hunting 4x32 scope.  Optically, these are very nice, but I've enver seen one of these with a Mil-Dot or MP8 reticle.  If you are considering an IOR scope, look at a 6x42 with an MP8 reticle or Dragunov reticle.  It is absolutely superb and is in your price range.  I have several differnt fixed 6x scopes and I've never felt the need for more magnification (these are not varmint guns).

 

I have not compared Weaver Tactical side by side with others here, but I suspect that it is optically similar to Grand Slam.  Sightron S2, IMO, is better overall than Leupold or Weaver.  I would also consider a 3-12x42 version though (I like having a 3x low end since I can use that with both eyes open for faster shots).

 

I am a little surprised that noone else has participated in this thread though.  There are a lot of people here who forgot more about riflescopes than I ever knew.

 

Ilya

 

 

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Ilya,

 I plan on putting either of these scopes on a long range rifle (.223 varmit, .338 mag, or .50).  So, I am hoping to find one of these scopes that I can shoot long range with, in extreme low lighted conditions (at times), holds up well with strong recoil, with easily adjustable finger turrets, but also has the capability to be adjusted for close range encounters.

  The company that has the IOR i mentioned, says that the scope is a 30mm. 

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Is that company ImpactGuns, by chance?  I've heard of some problems with them in the past.  Also they do not seem to always realize that IOR and Meopta are different companies.  Meopta scopes are decent but not as good as IOR and their customer support is questionable.  Their website lists a IOR 3-9x42 scope that is 'maufactured by Meopta".  I'd stay away from that one.

 

For that kind of use I'd go with Sightron.  To reach way out there you need solid adjustments and Sightron's Exactrack is excellent.  Weaver's adjustments are also very good, but Weaver also has a considerably shorter eye relief which will become a problem if you put it on something that kicks.  Leupold PR has eye relief of 4.3 (low mag)-3.2 (high mag) inches.  Sightron is 4.2-3.6" for 3-12x42MD model.  Leupold's adjustment range is 56" vs 80" for Sightron.  In fact Sightron 4-16x42MD has as much adjustment range as Leupold  PR 3-9x40 and more eye relief at high magnification.

 

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I can't believe that no one has brought up the XOTIC 4-16x56.  It would be perfect for your long range application....especially the .338 or .50 cal.

 

1st Focal Plane Mil Dot

4x erector (4-16x)

30mm tube with over 100 moa of travel

Large oversized turrets

Side focus parallax

Quick focus eye piece

Built beyond mil spec.

 

http://www.xoticoptics.com/

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XOTIC seemed to be in a different price range.  Besides, since I have not seen it in person, I would not feel right recommending it.  It does seem to be reciving glowing reviews.  Additionally, since he wants to shoot varmint on occasion a FFP reticle may not be the best way to go since it'll obscure much of the target at higher magnifications.  I suggested Weaver Tactical before I learned that he wants to shoot a rat or two on accasion.

And last but not least, as superb as XOTIC seems to be, a scope as large and heavy is just not my cup of tea.

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Illya,

  One thing I am looking for on a scope is the target turrets.  I like the Sightron II 3-12x42 model, but I don't think that it has target turrets.  I like the 80 wind/elev travel though.  However, the Sightron II 4-16x42 model only has 56 wind/elev travel, but it has the target turrets.  So I guess I have to decide what I must sacrifice in my choice?  Unless you know that they both have target turrets?

   I like the Xotic scope, but like you said, its in a different price bracket which puts it up there with the Leupold M4 Tacticle (+) catagory.

   One of my last comparisons for you is:

(1.) Sightron II 3-12x42

(2.) Sightron II 4-16x42

(3.) Super Sniper

 

How is the glass & light transmission & overall quality between the two Sightron models I mentioned and the Super Sniper line? 

 

Thanks for your extensive insight,

Matt

P.S. - You don't work for or have stock in Sightron do you? Your a good salesman for them, if not. :)

 

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No, I do not work for Sightron.  Maybe I should start charging them, though :)

This one is a tough choice.  If your use was only tactical stuff, like some long range shooting at sizeable targets (to put on an AR-50 for example), Super Sniper would have been hard to beat.  It offers a lot for the money.  You really have to decide if you are comfortable with a fixed 10x scope. 

Among the variables in this price range, I feel that Sightron is the best deal going.  In case you are wondering (after all that Sightron propaganda) I also like various Burris and IOR scopes quite a bit.  However, Sightron S2 offers more for the money than any other variable I've seen yet.

Between two Sightron models, if 4-16x42 has the turrets you like, go with that one.  I seldom have a need for magnification beyond 6x or so, so I generally lean toward lower magnification scopes, but to each his own.

I have not had a chance to compare a Super Sniper and a Sightron side by side.  I have used both though, and I think they are comparable optically.  For shooting in low light, Super Sniper might not have a big enough exit pupil, but that is very personal.

Good luck with your choice.

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Ilya,

  Where would you rank Sightron on this scale? I see they left out Sightron as a good competitor.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1610&PN=1

 

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Well, first of all, I would put that scale together a bit differently (and I might post my opinion there shortly as I've had a few days to think about it).

 

Generally, I think that optically S2 and S3 compete against Leupold VXIII, Elite 4200, Burris Signature Select and Black and Euro Diamond, etc.

 

Sightron S2/S3 and Weaver Grand Slam though have some of the best adjustments to be had in a scope at any price. 

 

One of the things that is very important to me is eye relief as I absolutely do not enjoy getting hit on the head.  That, to me, discards Elite 4200 and Weaver Grand Slam for anything other than varminting.  Of the remaining scopes in that class I think Sightron is the best deal due to good optics and adjustments, good eye relief and reasonable (comparatively speaking) price.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have enough experience with the most expensive scopes (US Optics, Shmidt and Bender, etc.) to judge how much better they are.  The only Zeiss scope I own is a 1.5-6x42 Diavari ZA (with T* coatings) and it is not any better or even slightly worse than a Japanese made Nimrod 6x40, for example.  I've spent a little time with a couple of expensive VM/V scopes and they are good, but to me, absolutely not worth the money.

 

Is Zeiss Conquest better than Sightron S2 or Burris Signature Select.  Yes it is. Is it sufficiently better to justify the price difference? Not in my opinion. 

 

I think that the pinnacle of current scope development is in the $300-$600 range.  Beyond that, you pay a lot more money for very little difference in performance.

 

Naturally, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

 

ILya



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koshkin I think you hit it dead on with that statement. Once you get beyond $500 or so the difference you pay for a scope, compared to what you get for the money, only diminishes the more you shell out. 
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Not all 30 mm scopes just allow extra sight adjustments, many including the top of the line Burris, Nikon etc, have an equivalent larger zoom tubes ( larger internally). I think it is debatable to say they have no effect on light transmission. This was the bases behind the Signature series scopes, better because of larger internal lenses but still an inch tube. The Eurodiamonds and Black Diamonds have the corresponding larger zoom tube for the 30 mm body and that is what the Extreme Tactical Burris is based off.
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I'm still anxious to hear some of the reports from the Burris Xtreme Tactical Scopes, once they come in here in May 2005.  They seem to be well priced for their capabilities, and I would like to hear how they compare to other tactical scopes?  Once somebody gets their hands on one of these scopes, please shed some light to the rest of us about what kind of quality they are.  I know there are alot of people asking about them.  I can't imagine that the only upgrade from the Eurodiamonds and Black Diamonds was to put target knobs on them? I'd hope there were additional features to make them better.  But, I guess we'll see.  I'd like to do a test on one of these, as soon as they get them in.

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I wonder how the Burris Xtreme Line will compare to the future Super Sniper Variable Scope? That would be an interesting scientific comparison.
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The new Burris Xtreme tactical scopes look like they will be a good option in the tactical scope category. Hopefully they measure up to some of the other big names in tactical scopes. We shall see...
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Resurrected Thread..

What happened to XOTIC? 
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The scope mentioned above was designed and built for the USMC SSDS contract trials.  They built a few hundred of them and sent 10 to the USMC for the trials, we sold the rest for them.
 
As far as I know they are still chasing mil contracts but have yet to produce another scope.  If and when they do we will make an announcement on The OT.
 
 
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