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Please compare and contrast for me:

 

Without regard to price:

 

Leupold Mark 4 PR 3.5x10 and Burris FFII Tactical 3x9.

 

Thanks.

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Hello Army_Eod

 

The 3-9 PR is the worst model in the line, the glass is comparable

to the VX ll   the 3.5-10 PR has the new VX III glass and could

be found for a similar price.

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

Hello Army_Eod

 

The 3-9 PR is the worst model in the line, the glass is comparable

to the VX ll   the 3.5-10 PR has the new VX III glass and could

be found for a similar price.

 

Excellent info and appreciated.  The Leupold web site if very vague in that matter.  Would have to compare Burris to the 3.5 - 10 then.

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The PR 3.5-10 will beat the fullfield II but the Signature Select will beat the

PR, only problem is the signature select does not have a tactical reticle

until you hit 16x in that line and knobs until you hit 24x.

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If you do not mind 30mm tubes and size check out thr XTR's by Burris

they have exellent glass and features.

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How does this glass compare -- 200962 New Burris 1.5-6x40 Euro Diamond 30mm Rifle Scope ?

How does the new Leupold VXIII glass compare to a Swarovski?

The Leupold 2.5x20 FX-II has "multi-coat 4" glass. What level of glass is that?

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Hello

 

Euro Diamond I dont know, Black Diamond and XTR have great glass these are

the ones I have expierience with. Swarovski AV is better than than the new VX III

but the Kahles CL is better than Swarovski AV and at a better price. The FX-II

I do not know but if it is the same quality of the new VX II  . Muhgi this post

and the one you posted on the Adamsdad post really belong in the riflescope

section, when it comes to Tactical scopes the glass and features needed are

different. Try the Burris XTR or upgrade to IOR for Tactical, for hunting try the

Kahles CL. These are my picks for the mid to upper mid price range.

 

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Trinidad -

I felt this thread was a good place to ask the question, since I was mainly concerned about how the Burris glass compares and wanted some other glass with which I was more familiar evaluated in order to get a better idea of what you consider "good" glass.

Adamsdad specifically asked about using a tactical scope for hunting and I addressed that aspect of his question. I'm not sure about the benefit of replying to him by starting a new thread in a different part of the forum.

-Tod

(Edited to remove controversial comment and simply address the answer.)
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Ok that makes sense, sorry for misunderstanding, with hunting you can get away with slightly lesser of quality glass and features with true tactical applications it is not a option, I had thought Adamsdad was looking for somethinhg that could do both, did my last post help out as far as glass quality and features goes. All of the scopes I listed are very robust. Let me know what you are looking for and your price range and I will give you a great pick.

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Yes, you helped a lot. Thanks. (Sorry, should have said that in the first post.)

From what I gathered from other people about Burris glass levels and your comments, the Burris Euro Diamond, Black Diamond, XTR and IOR glass all have great glass. Basically, I'm eternally researching for something that I like that is a bit less expensive than my familiar Swarovski. Burris and IOR are looking good in that regard.

As an aside, I have the same high glass and punishment standards for hunting as for tactical pursuits. Swarovski seems to be the minimal standard for me.

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              Kahles CL is better and cheaper than Swarovski AV.

Zeiss VM is better than Swarovski PH, priced about the same.

USO and S&B are the best but priced higher. This is my opinion

but remember that when it comes to scopes your eyes are always

the determining factor of preferance.  I recomend for people to try

these out for themselves, this forum serves as a good starting point

and the rest is up to the individual. I disagree that Tactical scopes

and hunting scopes are the same, there are some that can be used

as both but are not optimized for all situations, this is my opinion.

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

              Kahles CL is better and cheaper than Swarovski AV.

Zeiss VM is better than Swarovski PH, priced about the same.

USO and S&B are the best but priced higher. This is my opinion

but remember that when it comes to scopes your eyes are always

the determining factor of preferance.  I recomend for people to try

these out for themselves, this forum serves as a good starting point

and the rest is up to the individual. I disagree that Tactical scopes

and hunting scopes are the same, there are some that can be used

as both but are not optimized for all situations, this is my opinion.

 

I tend to agree with this assessment.  I will differ is saying that I believe that the Kahles CL in 50mm & 52mm (don't have a lot of experience with the 42mm model) is a tad brighter than Swarovski PH and it's equal in every other catagory.  Factor in it's price vs. the PH and it's an amazing bargain!  The USO, Zeiss VM/V, and S&B are THE class in the optics world to my eyes but you'll pay dearly to own one.

I agree with SVD's observation regarding hunting vs. tactical scopes and the ability for cross-usage.  The vast majority of tactical scopes are will suited for paper and varmints from a bench but not the best for a hunter in a tree stand with 75% of shots under 100yds.  Just my $.02...

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Id say we all have too much money invested in glass and not enough invested in Scotch to fill all our glass. 

 

Once you get over $600 scopes all have good glass and if they dont they wont be around long. Your true need for top quality glass is directly porportional to how likely the enemy is to shoot at you  ---  thats why the Marines have U.S. Optics scopes and Trijicon AACOGs. Guys that hunt dangerous game likely need good optics too.  For everyone else the high dollar scopes are a luxury not a necessity.     

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Id say we all have too much money invested in glass and not enough invested in Scotch to fill all our glass. 

 

Once you get over $600 scopes all have good glass and if they dont they wont be around long. Your true need for top quality glass is directly porportional to how likely the enemy is to shoot at you  ---  thats why the Marines have U.S. Optics scopes and Trijicon AACOGs. Guys that hunt dangerous game likely need good optics too.  For everyone else the high dollar scopes are a luxury not a necessity.     

 

Well said! 

 

I suppose having premium glass on a hunting/benchrest rifle is indeed a luxury.  I justify it on a number of levels:

1) Time invested in my passion/hobby -- if I'm competing in benchrest and I want to give myself a realistic chance of winning then my equipment needs to be at least on par with that used by my competition.  That usually means high quality optics of at least Elite 4200 level.  If I'm going to hunt then I want a scope that is going to give me the best performance & most time in the stand.  I have to drive 5.5hrs. to hunt whitetail & boar so I don't want to drive 11hrs. to not be able to see the animal in low light/dusk or have the reticle crap out on me when that 250# hog steps out. 

2) The "Pandora's Box" syndrome -- this is where you have a scope (like a FF II, VX-II, Simmons Whitetail, etc,) that is perfectly functional.  Then you look through a Black Diamond, IOR, Swaro/Kahles, Zeiss, etc. and your scope suddenly becomes a piece of crap that just won't do!  It's downhill from there as you start saving your pennies & selling anything just short of vitals on ebay to scrounge up the $$ to buy one.  Then you wonder how ANYBODY can shoot without a scope that costs at least $600...  I know it's snobby but it happens every day.

3) There's a saying (can't remember it exactly but I'll do my best of paraphrase) that goes something like: "buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry lots."  If you have three rifles and each wears a FF II, VX-II and a Bushnell 3200 then you've probably got at least $800 tied up in scopes.  Why not sell all three scopes on ebay, mount one-piece picatinny base(s) on your rifles, get a set of picatinny rings and buy a NICE scope.  Mark your zero changes on the elevation knob for each rifle & you're good to go...

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Hello,  I can't really do a compare and contrast between the PR and the Burris FF, but I've owned a Leupold Standard Police 3.5-10x40 for a good dozen years and this has now been renamed the Mk 4 PR.  Mine is the Vari X III with Multicoat 4 coating, however I can't say if the glass differs from the PR proper, but it has been a pretty nice little scope. 

 

It's got the target turrets with caps, so you have to deal with them, but the glass is pretty decent compared to some of the other scopes that I have (B/L, Zeiss, Springfield Government Gen1).  It's a fairly light scope which isn't too long and it has been trouble free and fairly robust.  There is now parallax, but it's 100yds factory st, so that could be a concern at longer distances.  Mine flips between a FAL and an AR and is just a duplex reticle.  I don't really miss the ranging of a mildot, so that's not an issue for me. 

 

When I got it back in say '94, it was a $700 scope and it appears that Leupold has tried to bring it down a peg or two in price to be more competitive, relative to their Mk4 30mm line.

 

Personally, I like a bit more magnification, but out to a few hundred yards, the 10x is fine and if you were stuck with it, I don't think that you'd be hurting by any stretch.

 

Take care, Chris

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Hello Chris

 

The glass on the new 3.5-10 PR is better than in the older tacticals,

this new glass is what they are now using on the new VX III's,

the older glass is what they now use on the VX II and the current 3-9 PR,

both older and newer tacticals hold up very well and are very precise

scopes but I do not like the glass on the older ones, they can also be

found at bargain prices brand new now and I feel the upgrade is worth it.

The older tacticals sell very well on Ebay.

 

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I think I just solved my problem...I ordered a Sightron II 3-12 AO with target knobs.
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That is a good Choice Army_Eod. Did you get a good price and what Reticle?
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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

That is a good Choice Army_Eod. Did you get a good price and what Reticle?

 

Picked up for $248.00 and has Plex reticle.

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Sounds good.
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Well after playing with the new Sightron 3-12 AO and comparing to my new Burris FFII Tactical, I would have to say the Sightron has the win.  The target knobs on the Sightron are far superior.  Easy to read, super crisp and precise.

 

Not that I don't like the Burris.  It is the perfect scope for the application.  Love the ballistic plex.

 

 

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