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For a number of months I've been reading posts with excellent recommendations and I believe I have narrowed my search closer to purchasing either the Burris Black diamond 4x-16x-50 or the Leupold 4.5x-14x-50.

 

The scope will be used on my remington 30--06 for Wisconsin white tail, and Colorado Muley and Elk.

Does any one have any hands on recommendation or strong feeling towards one or the other.  The Burris seems like the better deal and I've read a lot of good things about it.  Although I am not opposed to spending a little more for better.  Also, any recommendation on considering the posi-lock option with the Burris?

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Have you considered the Elite 4200 or the Zeiss Conquest as well , Sir??

 

Why all the power for big game hunting??



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I haven't, I'll give it a look thanks for the suggestion!

 

I guess I just figured it would be nice to have the range if needed.......could always leave it on the low mag end.

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I could be wrong of course and there are a lot of people here with far more hunting experience than I have, but I would be inclined to think that having a little extra margin on the low end is more important for a big game hunter than the high end.

There is a reason why 3-9x40 or similar scopes are most popular: they work well and offer a very flexible magnification range.

If anything I would suggest you pay a lot more attention to optical and mechanical quality and to the reticle, but keep the magnification range more moderate.

Bushnell Elite 4200 would work well.  Either a 2.5-10x40 with Firefly reticle or 2.5-10x50 with illuminated dot #4 would fit you application nicely.  While I do not think illuminated or glowing reticle is of much importance for you, both firefly and #4 reticles are thicker than a regular plex and are very visible and fast to acquire even without the illumination.

Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 with #4 reticle would be another very good choice.

For a little more money you can get a Kahles KH 3-9x42 with #4 reticle which is an impressive scope or a Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x40 which is the fastest big game scope I've seen yet.

Now all of these reticles are really not designed for fine target work, but they will serve you well out in the field.

ILya




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Well said, koshkin.

EXCELLENT advise given there, steadyshot, you'd be wise to give The Dark Lords' post some thinking over.

 

3-9 is all ALL the scope hunters in my AO will ever need, and even then we are shooting deer at 75-100 yards in the thickets.

 

 

 



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Makes complete sense.  Thanks for the train of thought.  How much of an advantage would it be to have the 50mm objective vs 40mm on the Elite.  I have never had a 50mm but tried them for brief moments. unfortunately i am comparing them to my 40mm Tasko with a huge difference in optics! 

Any preference on the quality of lenses and coatings between the Bushnell and Burris?

 

Thanks again for the great advise-

 

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http://www.swfa.com/pc-5762-259-zeiss-3-9x40-conquest-rifle- scope.aspx

(With the #4 koshkin mentioned.)

 

Or

http://www.swfa.com/pc-1525-259-zeiss-3-9x40-conquest-rifle- scope.aspx

(On sale with the Z Plex.)

 

40mm objective with the Conquest or 4200 will serve you well.  

AO's and side focus are great for target and varmint shooters, but are totally not needed on a big game rig...IMHO, of course.



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I would not worry about the difference between 40mm and 50mm objectives.  For practical purposes it really makes no difference.  There is some advantage at higher magnifications, but I would rather have a lower mounted scope.

Optically Elite 4200 and Burris SIgnature Select are close, with Elite 4200 having a slight edge.

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Very good advice from both CT and Koshkin. I have some of the scopes mentioned including a Kahles 2.2-9X42(discontinued). The Kahles is an excellent choice as is the Zeiss.
I would not exclude a Leupold 3.5-10 or the 2.5-8 if it will fit on your action without offset mounts. The Leupolds are fine for hunting and are very rugged, repeatable, and proportioned nicely. My VXIII's are the equal of my Burris Signatures, optically, IMO. They have better re-sale value than Burris and are lighter.
If you get a 3-9 or close in any of the brands mentioned, you will have a fine, serviceable rig for any of the hunting you have mentioned.
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I have 2 burris scopes:
Fullfield 3x9x40 illuminated
Signiture 8x32x44

Both are just perfect for what they are.

I have [I don't know how many] Leupolds:
8x25x50 mark4 illuminated mil dot
1.75x6x32 vari-iii
6.5x20x40 vari-iii
3x9x50 vari-ii
every 4X Leupold I ever saw at a gunshow for $100

I made a 91/30 cantilever scope mount from a gen 1 Tapco AR15 riser. That diving board seemed to destroy an old 2x7 Leupold. I sent is back. They immediately sent me a new VX1 2x7

I have nothing but good things to say about Leupold scopes and Leupold.
They are nice on the phone, and ship so fast it made my head spin.


I am pretty wreckless and sloppy, but my brother is a perfectionist. I found a couple Leopolds at SWAF for him:
2x7 rimfire on some fancy old Winchester
VXII 6x18x40 on a .223 he built on a 1903 Turk action.

My brother's guns look like jewelry, not a spec of dust. His groups are tiny. His shots at varmints well chosen. And he just loves his Leupolds. He is replacing all his scopes now with Leupolds.

You can pay more money for a:  
Schmidt & Bender 
Swarovski 
US Optics 
Night Force
IOR
Zeiss 

What does it all mean?
You can't do much better than Burris or Leupold per my experiences.




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Originally posted by Clark Clark wrote:

You can pay more money for a:  
Schmidt & Bender 
Swarovski 
US Optics 
Night Force
IOR
Zeiss 

What does it all mean?
You can't do much better than Burris or Leupold per my experiences.

 

I own scopes from all brands listed except USO, including several models of Burris and Leupold, and I can say with absolute certainty that the optics in all the above are definitely superior to both Burris and Leupold (VXIII and lower), but whether or not the optical improvement is proportional to the significant increase in price is another matter entirely and up to the individual to decide.  You'll be very well served with any of the above. 

 

However, keep in mind that depending on the individual models compared, some IOR and Zeiss (Conquest, not Diavari) scopes aren't priced any higher than Leupold.

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Originally posted by Clark Clark wrote:

You can pay more money for a:  
Schmidt & Bender 
Swarovski 
US Optics 
Night Force
IOR
Zeiss 

What does it all mean?
You can't do much better than Burris or Leupold per my experiences.

 

What is your definition of....much??? 

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