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Hello all

I'm not a very frequent visitor and even less frequent poster, BUT, if I have an optics decision looming I always include this forum in my research. There is always lots of good info here.

I recently came across a deal on a Ruger Hawkey African that I could not pass up. Now I have to top it with some decent optics. I was pretty much set on getting a Burris 2X7X26 Timberline. Burris has had an excellent reputation, it has an excellent warranty, it is compact, and it is advertised with about the best eye relief I could find for this type of scope. I was happy, that was until I started reading Opticstalk. I am now a little concerned with the quality of the Timberline line of scopes, and seeing this line all the way down at number two in last years ratings is also nagging at me. Would a Timberline variable hold up to the recoil of the .375 Ruger?

So,... any information you have on the Burris Timberline would be greatly appreciated, as would any suggestions for nice compact glass to top my new Ruger. I know the rifle just screams out for a 1.5X5 but the .375 should be very capable out past 300 yds for elk, and for this reason I would like the capability of a little higher magnification. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Good question, haven't heard much on the Timberline,give it a try.
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    Hey ww,first off your right about the distance capabilities of the .375(equal to a .30-06 w/180gr). I frequent an Alasksn forum and it seems that alot of them guys put 2-7's and 3-9's on their .375 rifles.
    If I'm not mistaken the Timberline series replaced the Mini-Mag series (they even look the same) which were designed for short actions and were brought out around the time the WSM's were picking up steam. I'd be concerned about mounting problems as the tube length is SHORT.Your looking for a compact scope and the 2-7x26 Timberline weighs in at 11oz. In the price range of that scope I found this: http://www.swfa.com/pc-10603-1514-sightron-3-9x42-sii-riflescope.aspx
 If you'll look at the specs you'll see it doesn't weigh much more,has GOOD eye relief,and has decent tube length for mounting. Sightron also has a no questions asked replacement guarantee. I've got a 1.5-6x42 SII on a light weight .300 and it's doing just fine. If your budget is more let us know and we'll give some more suggestions but there's absolutely nothing low quality about this scope.
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A 2-7 should be just right.  Check the field of view on the Timberline.  It's not nearly what you get with a regular-sized 2-7, like a Bushnell 3200 or a Leupold.
 
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300S&W, Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd like something a little more compact if I could. I've got a couple Luepy 3X9s that I can use if push comes to shove. I'm up in Canukistan so if I could find something for around 300 of your dollars that'd  be nice. 

Mounting the Timberline would be a squeeze, but Ruger makes a front extension ring that would make it doable.

Thanks Shenko, I hadn't really looked at FOV. Almost half of what you'd get on a regular compact. Definitely worth keeping in mind.

Maybe a 3X7X33 VX II is the way to go after all.
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Originally posted by wapitiwacker wapitiwacker wrote:

300S&W, Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd like something a little more compact if I could. I've got a couple Luepy 3X9s that I can use if push comes to shove. I'm up in Canukistan so if I could find something for around 300 of your dollars that'd  be nice. 

Mounting the Timberline would be a squeeze, but Ruger makes a front extension ring that would make it doable.

Thanks Shenko, I hadn't really looked at FOV. Almost half of what you'd get on a regular compact. Definitely worth keeping in mind.

Maybe a 3X7X33 VX II is the way to go after all.


Sorry, I meant 2X7
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   I honestly think you've answered your own question. I was waiting to see if you'd up your budget to the VX II level. The 2-7x33 is what I was going to suggest:
 
  Now that Shenko brought it up I do seem to remember a thread somewhere about critical head position on the Mini-Mag/so I'll guess the Timberline to.
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Timberline scope are OK for what they are, but I would probably look for something a bit better.  Despite having pretty long eye relief, it is not very flexible.  As for having more reach, better optical quality trumps magnificatio quite comfortably in that regard.

I would suggest some other options:

Sightron S2 Big Sky 1.5-5x20:  lots of eye relief with a lot of positioning flexibility.  Excellent glass and 5x top end is plenty, IMO.

Nikon Monarch 2-8x32:  I am not a big fan of the Monarch line, but this is one of the few that I like.

Vortex Viper 2-7x32 with C3 reticle.

If you like Burris scopes, 1.5-6x40 Signature Select is not very popular, but is a very nice scope.

From the standpoint of not getting hit by the scope due to recoil (and a veyr nice scope in other respects) Burris Signature Safaru 1.75-5x32 is another good choice.

In the end it all comes down to how much money you want to spend.

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Thank you Koshkin, that is exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. I'll do some more diggin'. While I like the Leupolds I currently own I think there is glass out there that is as good or better at lower prices. Thanks again.
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koshkin, is there a specific reason you did not include the Leupold VX II in your list? Looking strictly at numbers it has comparible FOV, slightly better eye relief, and it is a tad smaller than the scopes you have listed. All at about the same price point. 
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Originally posted by wapitiwacker wapitiwacker wrote:

koshkin, is there a specific reason you did not include the Leupold VX II in your list? Looking strictly at numbers it has comparible FOV, slightly better eye relief, and it is a tad smaller than the scopes you have listed. All at about the same price point. 


I do not think VX-II is competitive against the other scopes I mentioned.  The number do not tell the whole story.  VX-II has a nice compact package, but aside from that I think it has nothing else going for it.  Besides, of all the Leupold's I have tried I had more problems with various VX-II models than with all other Leupys put together.  While that is probably just my luck, I am still not a big fan of VX-II.  To get similar performance to the scopes I mentioned in my earlier post, you have to move up to VX-III anyway.

One thing I do not like in VX-II scopes is that they are not true 3x erector designs, and the actual amgnification range is lower.  For example 2-7x33 is actually a 2.5-6.6x33 and a 1-4x20 is a 1.6-4.2x20.

Eyerelief on 2-7x33 changes by more than an inch as you change magnification.  I am not a big fan of that.  I am OK with some eyerelief changes, but that is a bit much.

Then we come to optical quality where VX-II, to my eyes, is pretty abysmal considering the price range (and yes I do know how to focus a scopeWink).  While glass is not the most important quality of a hunting scope, it is still a part of the equation.

To summarize, aside from the form factor, I think all Leupold scopes below VX-III are monumental screw-ups on Leupold's part and Leupold is a bit too slow to change that.  It looks like they are heading in the right direction with the VX-3,  so I am curious to see what they will do with the other scope lines.

ILya


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Thanks koshkin, I've got a Viper 2-7X33 with a BDC on it's way. Fingers are crossed.
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