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Hello Guys and Gals! I really need some help. I am getting a new scope for my Tikka Contenental 7mm mag and am really stuck. I have some areas where 300+
 yard shots are not out of the question and also run into alot of lowlight deer movement situations. I CAN go to about $500 on my scope but want to be in the 300-400 range.

I have always used Leupold, but have lately not been real satisfied with their quality. Optics and mechanics of my Vari III do not even seem on par with the Bushnell 4200s alot of my hunting buddies are using. Please do not let this offend anyone, it is just my opinion.

Anyway... I have read and researched for weeks and am coming up with Burris Fullfield II or BushnellElite 4200 in 50mm. And am kinda leaning toward the 4200 as they now offer the 30mm tube and that scope REALLY SEEMS BRIGHT! But am not sure of the Bushnell quality.

Have any of you guys been at this crossroads? Any recomendations? Also do any of you know of any third party light transmission tests or ratings available on the web???

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Bushnel Elite 4200 is a top notch scope and it is optically better than Fullfield II.  For big game hunting I'd stay away form 50mm objective bells, they only make your setup heavyer.

 

Also, as discussed before (do a search or two on this forum), a 30mm tube vs a 1" inch tube does not make a squat of difference as far as light transmission is concerned.  It only increases the adjustment range and makes the main tube a little sturdier.  A 1' Elite 4200 and a 30mm Elite 4200 with the same objective size will be equally bright.

 

All in all I'd suggest something along the lines of a 3-9x40 or a 3-12x42 or a 4-14x40, 2.5-10x40, etc.

 

The only downfall for Elite 4200 that I know of is eye relief.  It is kinda short, so if you have a light rifle that kicks you have to take that into consideration. 

 

In your price range you should consider, in addition to Elite 4200, Burris Signature Select, SIghtron S2, Zeiss Conquest (expensive), Weaver Grand Slam, Nikon Monarch, Leupold VX-III (overpriced, IMO).

 

I am partial to Sightrons as I think they offer the most for the money, but all of these are quite good.

 

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Conquesst, 3-9x40.  My second choice would be the 4200 2-10x40.

 

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I believe the 4200 has a slight a advantage FOV advantage over the scopes, but for the must part I don't think it would cause a miss, however, on running game some folks may want all the FOV they can get. I happen to fall into to the latter group. The more, the better. The Elite also has advantages the other scopes don't offer ( Rainguard lens coatings, FireFly reticle which is a Huge advantage for low light shooting ).

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I have seen a couple of really good 1" examples and one really poor example.  The handfull of 30mm Docters that I have seen have all been good.  The problem with Docter is a lack of customer service.  I doubt you would ever have a problem, but if you did you are at the mercy of B.C. Outdoors.   I think you would be better off spending the extra $50 or so for a Conquest.

 

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We have some Trijicon Accupoint scopes listed on our Sample List sight at a bargain price.  There is a 3-9X40 matte available with a red, or amber tritium and fiber optic reticle for low light use, or when speed is a factor.  Offers a clear image, great field of view, and generous eye relief.  You can get one in new condition for $419.95, which is well over a hundred dollar savings from the price listed at SWFA.com.  Here are a couple of images to look at.  If you want to look into a purchase, here is a link

                                                                                                           

                                     

 

 

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Thanks all! It is strange but with the scope issue the more research I have done the more confused I have gotten. As is obvious my price range is $500.

 

Upon looking at the Bushnell it apears brighter but the burris seems to have better contrast and seems much more solid. But the newly available dot on the bushnell is nice too.

 

As I am not super knowledgeable about scopes your suggestions are great as well:

 

I do not know Trijicon Accupoint, are they good? Are they par with say burris bushnell nikon leupold etc???

 

Also Docter Optics and Conquest, who makes them? Same maker? Are they good? Are they par with say burris bushnell nikon leupold etc???

 

What I ant is Zeiss quality on a poor mans budget!!!

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The Burris Signature Select is a very solid scope, but so is the Elite 4200.  Flip a coin as far as ruggedness goes.  Trijicon primarily makes high quality tactical scopes.  The Accupoint is fast, but not as precise as a traditional duplex (at least where I am concerned).  Docter is Docter, they are located in the former E.Germany and were formerly known as Zeiss Jena until the wall came down.  They have no relationship with Zeiss Optics.  Zeiss Optics makes the Conquest.  I would say that the Conquest is the top here followed by the 4200, but every scope mentioned is very close in quality.  I guess you could call the Conquest a poor man's Zeiss.

 

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Meade riflescopes. Any feedback from anyone on Simmons new " Master Series Scopes, good or bad. How do they compare with scopes in their price range, optics and repeatability of adjustments. Thanks to all. Is Meade an optics manufacture or just a parts assembler?
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