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Respect Outdoors
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Bro I couldn't agree more! shooting a deer in the head is just plain stupid. they move their heads way to much, I don't care if it's 50 yards... they move around and if you don't kill um stone cold dead, then what? shoot um in the lungs and go pick um up.
I'm not preaching over shooting your ability. I'm telling you flat out that this scope gives you the ability to shoot farther than you normally could. If the battery fails, it's just another normal scope with cross hairs. no sweat. But when an animal is out there 375 yards or 425 yards or whatever.... if your scope tells you where how far to compensate for bullet drop, Instantly! how is that a problem? their is no guess work! I feel like I'm trying to explain cellphones and social media to class mates in the 90's.... I'd bet my eye teeth that range finding, bullet drop compensating technology is the way of the very near future. |
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"All men die, few ever really live"
Sako A7 Burris Eliminator 7mm Rem Mag 139 gr GMX Superformance Have gun will hunt! |
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SVT_Tactical
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Respect Outdoors
Optics Apprentice Joined: March/21/2011 Location: Jupiter, Florid Status: Offline Points: 76 |
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ya man. I'd love to shoot you an image of my logo. can you post it up as my picture.... where should I send it?
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"All men die, few ever really live"
Sako A7 Burris Eliminator 7mm Rem Mag 139 gr GMX Superformance Have gun will hunt! |
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Bitterroot Bulls
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: May/07/2009 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 3416 |
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This is exactly what I am talking about. This scope does not do that. |
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pyro6999
Optics Retard OT TITAN Joined: December/22/2006 Location: North Dakota Status: Offline Points: 22034 |
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i wont say a head shot is stupid, i myself dont take head shots. i will say that with a head shot, you have exactly a 50/50 chance, either its a clean kill or its a clean miss. unless you really screw up and shoot them in the snout, there is not chance of wounding them and losing them. if you shoot a deer in the guts you may never find it. i shoot to center mass myself.
anyway, back to the burris. for me it looks so bulky and awkward, that it turns me off right away just based on looks alone. |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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biggreen747
Optics Journeyman Joined: October/16/2009 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 470 |
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So after you sighted in your rifle at 200yds did you go shoot targets at 3, 4, and 500yds to verify that your bullet hit where it should or did you just squeeze and pray??? I don't have anything against these types of scopes or long shots but I certainly think a ethical hunter would at least want to verify that the drop corresponds to what the scope is telling you. I think to many people will just go sight in a rifle at a 100yds (near S.L.) and plug the correction into the scope (possibly not correctly) and head up to the high country on a warm October day at 8000-10,000ft and take a pot shot at a Elk or Mule Deer and wonder why they missed or wounded an animal at 400+ yds. As for me I'll keep dialing for elevation and throwing lead downrange to verify the calculations. Besides that's half the fun of it. Edited by biggreen747 - April/04/2011 at 12:25 |
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We measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a crayon, and cut it with a chainsaw.
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Rancid Coolaid
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I saw a headshot that did not result in a dead animal. It was disturbing. In the end, to each his own. In the little bit of fire arms instruction I do, I make the complicated explicitly clear, no attempts to oversimplify. If you cannot deal with the complexity of the thing, you should choose another hobby. I see and understand Burris' attempt to bring more participants into hunting and fire arms sports, I'm just not sure it is best for hunting and fire arms sports. Done with this thread, no need to beat the dead horse.
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Respect Outdoors
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This is mind blowing! Of coarse you sight your rifle in and test it at multiple distances! I shoot all the time. then when you get to a new location with new conditions you need to re-shoot. Please tell me you think your scope and rifle shoots the same at all elevations in many different conditions.... no it doesn't neither does the Eliminator but it's a tool that guarantee you helps a ton!
If you watch the show from last week. I actually show, shooting my rifle at the range from a variety of different positions and at a variety of distances. no matter what you shoot. you better practice a lot. Confidence and consistency is the key to making shots with anything and at any range. Ask Chris Farris (owner of SWFA) what he thinks of the Burris Eliminator. He was on our Elk hunt this year in Colorado.
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Bitterroot Bulls
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pyro6999
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i agree with that 100% and i agree with the idea that having tools to aid in the success of your hunt is great as well. |
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They call me "Boots"
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biggreen747
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I haven't seen the show so I have no idea if you had or not, nor am I, or do I intend to question your ability. I was simply making a point. While you and the people with you may have taken the time to verify trajectory the fact remains that the majority of people buying those scopes probably will not take the time or have the facilities to verify the trajectory. That IMO is where the problem lies. The average Joe probably puts 5-10 rounds a year down range right before opening day then go's hunting. While an optic like the Eliminator may work well for someone like yourself who hunts and shoots for a living it is IMO marketed toward the person that shoots 5-10 rounds a year. |
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Respect Outdoors
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I appreciate all the feedback i've got on this forum. I'm totally new to this and I can see it totally distracting me from editing and my other normal day to day tasks of producing the show. What I can tell you is that when I showed up to Greeley, Colorado this past October. I had never taken a single shot over 300 yards, EVER? I bought a new rifle (sako a7 X 7mm), put a Burris Eliminator on it and went to the range. We bore sighted it and zeroed it in at 100 yards. The very next shot was at 500 yards. It was dead nuts bullseye! I'm sure that was a little bit of luck because we sighted in several other rifles and it took just a bit more tuning to get them perfect. but not much and it was a simple process.
Tony Saros came from Australia to hunt with us. He's an executive with Berretta Australia and previous to this trip his longest shot in the field was 240 meters. Don't think he's not well experienced, he simply never had the confidence to shoot out past 250 with his conventional optics. He sat down in the seat, ranged the 500 yard target and pulled the trigger.... dead on...he continued to shoot about 15 rounds at multiple targets in varying distances... he was spot on, so he used my gun on the hunt. I used Pat Beckett's 300 ultra Mag with an Eliminator as well... I was with Tony at the TOP of the mountain when he killed his bull.... 540 yards! I actually missed it first because I was resting the barrel on the tripod (not the fore grip) and messed up the trajectory of the bullet. Later that day, in a hurry, I had to get set up and pull off a 352 yard shot at a bull that was about to take off, I got it done! perfect shot right through both lungs, the bull went 50 yards and piled up. Tony's went about 80 yards.... The efficiency and effectiveness of this scope is unparalleled. I filmed another guy shoot his first bull at just over 200 yards... well the scope read 342 and dropped the reticle properly. The guide said "it's not that far" well John put the dot on his shoulders and squeezed the trigger and the bull melted! That's all on tape! The scope was compensating for the extreme uphill angle and properly adjusted the aiming point. whether your shooting uphill or downhill your gun is going to shoot high given the same distance and zeroed in on flat ground. does your rangefinder tell you that? To the guy who goes out, buys a scope and doesn't practice.... ever... well how in the world is that ever going to be ethical. If you don't practice, how do you expect to make a good shot. If you don't know your equipment, how do you know what it will do. we can all argue about this till we turn blue in the face but I'm proof that this scope makes you a better shot and more confident when squeezing the trigger. |
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Respect Outdoors
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Well for one, it has a bullet drop compensating factor, so not only does it range the target, it automatically compensates for your bullets drop, giving you the proper holdover... it also compensates for uphill and downhill angles. Until you hold it in your hands and have the pressure of the hunt and a big time animal standing out there about 350 plus yards and you have to get it done quick... it's all just talk. I've been in that situation several times now and I can assure you, this scope is the real deal.
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Bitterroot Bulls
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This is especially concerning. |
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Dyelynn
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I couldn't disagree more. You're proof that using this scope makes you more comfortable making shots longer than whatever range you were comfortable at before. In no way does it make you a better shot. It's highly probable that with either training, or simply, correct practice, you can and would gain the same confidence with a standard scope. At least, in my definition of a "good shot"... where-in the shooter is able to accurately judge range to the target (with or without a LRF), determine any wind drift, and based on those factors and their capabilities decide whether or not an ethical shot is possible... then shoot.... or not. What you continually essay in these posts is that people, who are already avid hunters or shooters, become better with the addition of this tool. What most of the others who are arguing with you, are saying, is that a tool is a tool. In the hands of someone who understands and can use it effectively, it's a good thing. In the hands of someone who thinks it will make them an instant sniper, it's a bad thing. at any rate, sorry for the: |
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Respect Outdoors
Optics Apprentice Joined: March/21/2011 Location: Jupiter, Florid Status: Offline Points: 76 |
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Well what I'm telling you is that I would bet. you can't tell me the difference between 375 yards and 45 yards with your eye. That being said a range finder is necessary.
in addition to that. I have been shooting at "Florida" deer since I was 10 years old with my Ruger m77 .243. Until I started using the Eliminator I was not confident shooting past 250 yards. Now I am. It's that simple. I don't resort to using these childish little animated charters. I'm trying to tell you all that this scope works. plain and simple. it does what they say it does. If any of you had actually went out and shot a rifle with an Eliminator on it and then gave me a negative feedback, I'd be totally stoked to hear what you had to say.... But all I've been doing is trying to relay a message with dudes who would rather argue the point than hear the issue. I hate freakin computers with a passion. Talking with people I don't know and cant' look at when I'm talking to them is kinda weird to me. Chatting on this forum is not something you will see a lot of out of me. I was simply trying to discuss a new scope that has helped me out tremendously. I dare any of you to try it out and then come tell me what you really think. |
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Sako A7 Burris Eliminator 7mm Rem Mag 139 gr GMX Superformance Have gun will hunt! |
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Respect Outdoors
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that was meant to be 450 yards... I suck at typing...
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pyro6999
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i hear you man, dont let em get you down. one thing you need to remember, is that your on national tv every week. i can only dream of that.im jealous for sure, you have a dream job in my world. Edited by pyro6999 - April/04/2011 at 14:38 |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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