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I need some recommendations on budget scope for a young hunter.  Looking for fixed power in the 4x range.
Thinking about Simmons.  I am open to suggestions.

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What is your budget and for what application? Rifle, Mzlldr, Slug Gun. I assume primarily a hunting scope based on your post.



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Sorry, should have put that info in the post.

This will go on a rifle, a Stevens 200 bolt action that is cut down a bit to fit him.  Rifle is in .270 and he will be using reduced recoil ammo from Remington.  All shots will be less than 150 yards, 'cause that's as far away as I'm going to let him take a shot for a while.  Plus, 200 yds is the upper limit expressed by Remington.

What do I want out of the scope?
Pretty much in order:
  • Hold zero through recoil and over time (after we get it sighted in, I don't plan to adjust it)
  • Decent clarity- I want to be able to see clearly, no fuzz or fog
  • Decent light gathering- If I can see it with the naked eye I want to be able to see it with the scope.  If I have to wait an extra 5 min in the early morn to see with the scope (and eye) I'm ok with that.
  • Sturdy- I'm going to teach him to be careful, but he'll likely bump the rifle around a bit, I don't want the scope to be a fragile as eggs (see number one)
I know there are some awesome scopes out there, and the technology now a days is able to build a scope that will take the recoil of a 50bmg and have the light gathering capability to see into shadows under a full moon.  But that's not the scope I want, or want to pay for.

Honestly, I'm wondering if the Simmons 8 point or Bushnell blister pack at the sporting good store won't do for what I want.
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NIKON 4x32 Prostaf. Clear, bright, reliable, lifetime warranty. And all that for around $100.
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http://swfa.com/Weaver-4x38-Classic-K-Rifle-Scope-P5054.aspx

The above Weaver would also be a good choice. One thing to keep in mind is that most scopes like this 
are fairly short and compact so you may need extended bases or a 1 piece rail to mount them on your 270.
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Originally posted by mr fixit mr fixit wrote:


  • Hold zero through recoil and over time (after we get it sighted in, I don't plan to adjust it)
  • Decent clarity- I want to be able to see clearly, no fuzz or fog
  • Decent light gathering- If I can see it with the naked eye I want to be able to see it with the scope.  If I have to wait an extra 5 min in the early morn to see with the scope (and eye) I'm ok with that.
  • Sturdy- I'm going to teach him to be careful, but he'll likely bump the rifle around a bit, I don't want the scope to be a fragile as eggs (see number one)


  • In my experience, scopes in that price range will generally hold zero...once they are zeroed. It's the zeroing process that is painful. (e.g. buddy of mine had a cheapo 3-9X that would change windage 1/4-1/2 MOA every time we adjusted the elevation).
  • Clarity: Don't expect too much but @ low magnification it's not (as) much of an issue
  • Light gathering transmission: Any 4X scope with an objective over 28mm will transmit as much light as the human eye can use. Of course coatings and glass quality can lessen this somewhat. But mostly it's not a concern.
  • Sturdy: You can probably do well with the recommendations given here, but you gets what you pays for. I'd go with the Nikon.
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    What about the SS 6X?
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    SS 6x may be a nice scope, but not a budget scope. It has a mil-dot that might be too busy for a young hunter.

    The Weaver is a good choice along with the Nikon. I like the fact that the Nikon has a 32 mm objective that will allow for lower mounting. This will give a better cheek weld. The reduced ammo will help, but anything that can reduce perceived recoil is a bonus. Lower mounting will.
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    Doug makes some nice points.

    I like the Weaver, and mine has proven to be extremely tough.  It mounts nice and low.  I haven't used the Nikon.

    I have the SS6x on a 10/22, and my 6 year old doesn't have any trouble with the reticle.  I agree that most non-tactical shooters would not consider the SS a "budget scope."
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    http://swfa.com/Simmons-4x32-8-Point-Rifle-Scope-P3443.aspx

    Simmons 8pt- Less than $30.
    It will either break after 50rds/during the first hunting season, or it may last for 15+ years. It should get your son shooting till you/he can save up for a better scope.

    Optics will be somewhat adequate,but it will have bad spherical distortion around the edges, will exhibit glare when the sun is at certain angles, and may not render color that well. Resolution will be so-so. It should hold zero if the reticle stays in place,but I wouldn't expect adjustments to be consistent.

     
     





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    This isn't a fixed power, but it is a great deal that will do what you want.

    http://www.samplelist.com/-P1224.aspx
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     Here's BB's suggested scope(it's an SI and a good scope):
     
     Kickboxer has had good luck with Swift scopes so I'm going to throw this into the mix:
      They also offer a 40mm but it only has 3" e/r where this has 4".
     
     I believe if I were going with a Simmons,and I do have a discontinued 6X Pro Hunter that's NICE for the cost,I'd go with this:
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    I'm throwing 1 more into the pot........Hawke 4x32 different rets. @ $39-$49 At SWFA.I've had a Frontier for 2 yrs,I think they are underated but are good scopes for the money.
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    Fixed power:

    Variable:
    http://swfa.com/Sightron-3-9x40-SI-Riflescope-P9199.aspx (or the same model from the SampleList).

    If you are on a budget, these are good options.

    If you are willing to spend $200, try the Vortex Diamondback:

    ILya
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