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I'm a budget minded, shoot for fun guy who needs a scope for a 300 weatherby.  I hunt every now and then but mostly shoot targets with friends so low light situations are not what I'm worried about now. I just want a scope that can hold up to the recoil of the rifle.   I'd like to be able to pull my gun out of the case and be fairly sure it will hit where it did when I put it away.  I'm considering a  BSA Platinum 8-32 X44.  For $60 I'd take it if it could last a couple of years of casual shooting.   Is it worth my time or should I keep looking?  Any suggestions for something less than $200 that would be better would be appreciated 
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I have a BSA Platinum 36x, and it's just not very good...the glass is not good enough quility to handle that kind of magnification, and that's really where you tend to see the inexpensive scopes lose quality...at the higher magnifcations.  Plus, I don't know how much of that amount of recoil the BSA will handle...that could be a crap shoot. 

I've got a lot of cheaper scopes on my rifles...and I'm slowly in the process of upgrading some.  I'm on a budget also...and my "upgrade" is still way cheaper than the really pricey stuff. 

What's your absolute budget?  What kind of shooting are you doing? 

I can highly recommend the Weaver Grand Slam in 6x20x40.  See if you can snag a used one for less than retail...around the $250 mark. 

It's gonna be tough getting anything of real quality with that kind of magnification in the $200 range.  If you could drop your zoom requirements down, you could find something along the lines of a Nikon Buckmaster...that's a very nice piece of glass for the money.  A 3x9x40 is $199 here, and it comes with a lifetime warranty...so you'd get more than a couple of years of use out of it.  I just got a Buckmaster in 4.5x14x40, and I'm very impressed with it...it's more than $200, but I think you will be happier in the long run with something that's a couple of steps up from the BSA. 
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Take a look at the Simmons 44 mag line up.  They might still be in your price range and have some quality too.
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Lots of good points.  Listen to the advice about less magnification and you will get more for your money.

 

Burris 3-9x40 Fullfield II with the Ballistic Plex reticle would be awesome on that caliber, plus right now we are giving away a FREE 20x50 Burris Landmark spotting scope with them. Both for only $197.95.  You would get a way over average scope that is a lot of fun to shoot with the Ballistic Plex reticle and a spotter to boot.

 

 

This easy-to-use trajectory-compensating reticle works for just about any cartridge. We include thirty calibration labels with each scope to match your load.
Just sight-in at 100 or 200 yards with your highest magnification, determine the distance to your target and use the appropriate ballistic line.
 
If that is too pricey or just gotta have all that magnification then consider these in this order:
 
 
 
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That Burris does sound nice, I like the forever warranty.  The balistic plex sounds like just what I have been looking for.

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I would also reccomend the Burris Fullfield II or a Bushnell 3200 Elite in 3-9x40.  I personally prefer the Burris, but they are both good scopes and great values for under $200.00.  I believe that BSA has shifted 100% of their manufacturing to China and quality has defineately suffered.  They have gone so far as to put plastic lenses in I believe the Deer Hunter series. 

 

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Amongst the cheap scopes, I think my favorites are the Bushnell Banner line.  I think they're tough to beat for the price.  I go with them ahead of any BSA or Tasco.  I have a 6-18x 50 mm Banner, and love it for target shooting on my .22lr Marlin.   But I don't think I'd put the best made scope in that price range up to the test of the recoil of a 300 Weatherby.   Aren't we talking  25-30lbs of recoil here?  Have you got the muzzle break?   I think that gun might chew the BSA up and swallow the pieces.

I would think on that caliber, you'd want something durable, as well as with a bit of extra eye relief.  Not sure the 3-3.5 inches on  some of these models will do.  I think Chris is steering you right with the Burris.  Another option for about $200 that should be durable, with a similar warranty to the Burris, plus with a good 4" eye relief, is the Leupold Rifleman. 3-9x 40mm $199.99

Any of the Bushnell Elites are always worthy of consideration, and they come with a warranty second to none.  I believe they'll even give you a refund in the first year if you decide you don't like the scope.  If all of the above are truly out of your price range though, I wouldn't try anything less than a Bushnell Legend.  The Legend is a step down from the Elites and it doesn't come with that great warranty; it's an ordinary "as long as you own it" lifetime warranty.  Which means less resale value.  But, they do have decent 3.5" eye relief, and  are a bit closer to your budget, without giving up too much (I hope) in durability.  They are at least a step up from Bushnell's Banner and Trophy lines.

Legend 3-9x 40 mm $124.95

Legend 5-15x 40mm $169.96

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ranburr wrote:

I believe that BSA has shifted 100% of their manufacturing to China and quality has defineately suffered.  They have gone so far as to put plastic lenses in I believe the Deer Hunter series. 

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According to BSA they do not use "plastic" lenses.

 

ranburr,

On a previous post you mentioned owning a percentage of a scope company that has scopes made in China.  What company is this?

 

Previous post by ranburr "Well just so you know, I have a very small percentage of a competing scope line."-ranburr

 

You've got Leatherwood's attention as well as BSA...and I don't think its the kind of attention you want or need.

 

 

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I never claimed to own anything, I just said I had a very small percentage of a competing scope line.  In essence your not going to find my name on any legal documents and I am in no way a spokesman, owner or employee of the hinted to company.  Now as far as the BSA comment goes, I said that they Have Gone so far as to use plastic lenses in the Deer Hunter series.  The sentence is in the past tense.  They no longer use plastic lenses.  My source for the past use is published on the net and has always proven reliable in the past.  If this is incorrect and they never used plastic lenses then I appologize to BSA.  At any rate I would think that these companies would have something better to do than worry about my rantings.  By the way I have never, nor will I ever post anything here that I could in any way receive any type of personal gain from.  This forum is strictly fun for me.  Thanks again and keep up the good work!

 

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I was reading some posts on an airgun/springun forum today, and while it's not the same kind of recoil as a rifle, the scopes designed for rifles that tend to stand up to the recoil of airguns or springguns (don't know much about these) are probably better bets to handle high recoil rifles.  In any case, there seemed to be widespread agreement there on the durability of only two  of the lower priced scopes: the Simmons 44mag and the Bushnell Trophy.  Not surprisingly, the first two chosen by Chris (who usually does know what he's talking about) as higher magnification alternatives. 

In any case, since this poster's needs are target shooting first, and hunting second, and budget seems to be a primary consideration, perhaps something in between the 3-9 scopes which are best for hunting, and the high mag scopes for precision target shooting, would be a better compromise.  A 4-12x with A/O would dial down low enough for effective hunting, and would be a bit more suitable for target shooting, at a lower cost than the same model in  6-18x or 6-24x.  Of course you can shoot targets with a hunting scope, and without A/O.  But that depends on how serious you are about your target shooting, and at what distance.

In any case, I think the best quality suggestions of the 3-9x 40 mm, ideal for most hunting, remain:
The Burris Fullfield w/ the free Spotter $197.95 Eye relief 3.1-3.8"
The Bushnell Elite w/ firefly reticle $199.95 Only 3.3" eye relief.
Leupold Rifleman $199.99 The 3.7-4.2" eye relief make it a contender if that's a concern.

And on a budget, other 3-9x, or 3-10x which could serve:
Simmons 2.8-10x 44mm Aetec $129.95   This one has 5 inches eye relief.  Very good optics; flexible magnification range,  Gets my vote here.
Bushnell Trophy $89.95  40 mm objective, only 3.4" of eye relief.
Simmons 44mag  $99.95  *only 3" of eye relief.  Be sure you can handle that on that gun.  I don't think I could.
Bushnell Legend  $124.95 3.5" eye relief, 40 mm objective

But some additional models which might offer a workable compromise considering quality, occaisional hunting, and target shooting features might include, in 4-12x with A/O :
Simmons Aetec 3.8-12x 44 mm $144.95   With all of the concerns the poster mentioned,  this might be my first choice - 4" eye relief, great optics for the price.
Bushnell Trophy $169.95  40mm objectice; 3.4" eye relief
Simmons 44mag $129.95  - again, only 3" eye relief on this line.

 
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