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Is the Browning BAR a good, reliable, accurate autoloader? Everything Ive heard about it is good, but my "everything" isn't much. I'm not so sure about the alumunum reciever though. It doesn't sound like a good idea.
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By the way, I would get one in a .300 WSM.
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I have one in 30-06 and one in .243.  I'm not too far from 1000 rounds through the -06, never a misfire, the BOSS does work loose sometimes, and that is irritating..  I don't know how many rounds are through the .243, bought it used... pretty well used.  I've got over 400 rounds through it.  It is still under 1MOA, all the time.  I have a friend who has one in 300WinMag, he doesn't shoot but about a box a year or less, normally, but a few years ago he took a running moose at slightly over 500yds (guide told him to SHOOT IT, SHOOT IT, SHOOT IT, so he did).  They seem to be as good as Browning says they are.  
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I can only hope that the ones on the shelf today do justice to the old Belgium models. If in fact they do then you should be very happy with it. I've had a grade II for I don't know how long. It is my go to gun, I have to make myself take one of the others now and then just to give them some field time. If you get one I hope it serves you as well as mine has over the yrs. Best long shot to date, elbow on a limb good trigger desipline and the doe droped where she stood, 494 steps. don't let anybody tell you that a semi-auto won't shoot.
But you've got to know your gun! Good Luck!
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 I've wrung out a handful of them over the years as a range officer for a local sportsman's club during their annual deer hunter's "Sight-in Breakfast" fundraisers. They were all accurate to a fault, on the average at least as accurate as the average bolt gun that came through, and probably more so.  I can recall no funtional problems. Stock and forend dimensions made them very shootable, and the gas system quelled felt recoil a lot.
 I loved them, but I also found Remington 742's to be very good rifles as well, as long as their owners cleaned them once in a while and didn't allow them to rust solid!
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Mine is a 1982 in a 30-06 no boss and it shoots very well. It was used when I got it in 88 and it  looked like new. I was tight and figured the original owner over tightened it in a vise putting on a scope. Spread it back out to spec. and it shot like a dream. Like Ronk said the gas system really softens up he recoil.
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Mine is a 1982 in a 30-06 no boss and it shoots very well. It was used when I got it in 88 and it  looked like new. It was tight and figured the original owner over tightened it in a vise putting on a scope. Spread it back out to spec. and it shot like a dream. Like Ronk said the gas system really softens up he recoil.
 
 WOW!
 Getting inside that  reciever and spreading it back out must have been an interesting little project. What did you use, wedges of some sort?
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I also have a 30-06 and .243 and they both are more accurate than I am!  The '06 is my go to big game rifle and the .243 is my son's go to rifle as well.  They are an absolute joy to shoot!  Both of mine are the Made in Belgium, assembled in Portugal version.
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Thank you for the info. This is about what I've heard before, and I now have no qualms about getting one. I was originally thinking about a Benelli R1, but they cost $400 more, and don't have the reputation that the BAR does.
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My dad and I both have Browning BARs.  My dads is a early 70s model .243and mine is a late 70's model 7mm.  I have no idea the round count, but it is a lot for both of them.  I bought mine used in 95 and it has always had a problem with ejecting a round now and then.  This year I used it and about every third round I had a failure to eject and it would cause double feed problems.  I am thinking maybe the ejector spring has finally wore out, but have not taken it to my smith to figure it out yet.  But all in all, I think they are fantastic guns and would love to own a couple more, but just cannot justify the purchase of another gun for the same purpose as those.  
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I don't own one but we have several BAR Safari (steel receiver) hard-core hunters in our lease, mostly 270's and 7 mags of 60-70's vintage.  All of them still use Redfield Widefield scopes and swear by them.  They have been through rain, mud, sand, heat and cold.  These guys love them.  None of them have the BOSS.

The younger guys who have experimented with the short and long-tracs have had mixed results.  The 308 versions (308, 7mm-08, 243) seem to be the most dependable.  The WSM's and long actions less so.  The consensus among these guys is go with a short-trac 308 based cartridge or a steel receiver Safari.

The biggest complaint is cleaning.  They have to be cleaned from the muzzle and the bolt is almost impossible to clean.  Disassembly takes time and can be a little tricky but needs to be done at least once a year.  Most of the guys do it after the hunting season.  The Safari's must be wiped down after every hunt to combat rust. 

If you're used to a bolt action trigger you might be disappointed with a BAR.  The trigger is creepy and usually heavier.  But there is no denying they cut felt recoil big-time.  You'll lose some velocity with the action bleeding off hot gasses.  JMHO.




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I have a Short Trac in 308 and had a Short Trac 300 WSM that I traded for the 308 (I decided to trade the 300 for the 308 because it was being used primarily for whitetail and I already have a 300 WM bolt). I have a Trijicon Accupoint on the 308 and it is my "go to" whitetail rifle. Both Short Tracs are/were very reliable. I have never had a "fail to feed/or fire" with about 500 combined rounds out of them. The 308 will shoot Hornady 165 grain BTSP’s at about .75 at 100 yards and the 300 WSM used to shoot 180 Winchester Ballistic Silver Tips around and inch. I have taken several deer with them. Overall, I am very pleased with the Short Tracs and would highly recommend them.

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Originally posted by auto_1187 auto_1187 wrote:

Is the Browning BAR a good, reliable, accurate autoloader? Everything Ive heard about it is good, but my "everything" isn't much. I'm not so sure about the alumunum reciever though. It doesn't sound like a good idea.
 
Welcome, auto_1187!  The aluminum receiver models are nothing to worry about.  The receiver isn't stressed during firing.  The rotary locking lugs engage abutments inside a steel barrel extension and do not bear on the receiver itself.   There are tons of rifles and shotguns, past and present, using aluminum receivers. 
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Welcome to the OT Auto_1187!!!
Both my brothers own Mid 70s models bars in the dreaded .270.  Watched my Dad at about 60yrs old (1978) explode an Orange sitting atop a coke bottle at 100 yards standing with steel sites.  I'd say it was a shooter.
 


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Yep.  I know two guys using 270 BAR Safari's and another guy with a 7 mag Safari.  All were bought almost 40 years ago.  They regularly shoot 1"-1.5" groups and take game every year.  Maybe it doesn't matter but none have the BOSS.  I also know two younger guys with 300 win mag Long Tracs that would never function properly.  They got so frustrated after trying allot of different ammo that both of them traded for bolts.  Maybe they're the exception?  I don't know.

"The aluminum receiver models are nothing to worry about."

I agree.  The only problem gunsmith have told me about is over-tightening base screws and damaging the receiver.  On the other hand aluminum doesn't have the rust potential of the steel Safari's.  However, I talked to three different gunsmith last year when I was interested in buying an auto.  To a man they preferred the steel Safari.  Maybe it's a case of what they have experience with?  It's entirely possible that another three would like the newer models.

Everybody knows the 308 caliber was designed for automatics.  Look at the rim.  But my gunsmith tells me the biggest problem with cycling of some rounds has more to do with pressure; improper hand-loading (drives him crazy) and using ammo clearly marked unsuitable for autos (like low-recoil ammo).

At any rate I want to own one sooner or later.  IMO they are the best of the auto's.

The 308 is on the right, a 30-06 on the left.



Edit: Clarification
 


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