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Humorously, I am just waiting for a Black mat finished scope to be characterized by the term "Bright and Shinny."

I see "clear and bright", "Crystal Clear", etc used when what I sure they are attempting to describe is Contrast and Resolution.
 
This is not of course a criticism of the average poster, but more of a lack of general input from those optics guru's here abouts who could help with the education of these individuals as to what to look for.
 
Scope manufacturers that in fact think that people are looking for clear and bright scopes may in fact be doing a disservice to their clients in that a scope  may be overly contrasty and provide optics which interfere with target definition. Similarly while a scope may appear "clear" to the novice eye, it may have resolution numbers which are far from those desired in professional optics.
 
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Only takes some low light work with contrast charts and some resolution work with acuity charts to quickly separate the fair from the good from the best in optics. Most here are fully aware of how to do that, the optics guru's on here are second to none on the internet IMHO. Give scope manufactures more credit, they know full well the lines they walk in color correction and contrast when competing with one another. They also realize how much more savvy the average scope purchaser is now then just ten years ago when scopes were bought by brand name rather than features and optics......If I were a first time purchaser with little to no optical experience I would only hope to find a sight like this to ask help on than some of the other leading sights where ridicule and superiority rule.....

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a search would show that on countless occasions someone on the forum has explained the differences in terms and bright and shiny only refers to pennies, and a poster will come on immediately (in the same post, not even reading the previous) after that using the terms incorrectly. in all cases a descriptive is being used as a quantitative measure without qualification.

not a big deal as most posters are just in it for the fun but as focus put it most questions get an honest attempt without ridicule.

the depth that could be gone into--and the stuff that really makes optics different-  is not possible in a forum, as lens alignment machines, MTFs, quality control issues between manufactures, and such are not known or in some cases the information is second hand. hopefully someone will have first hand experience and that is about as much as can be hoped for.

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Now I can report the results.
 
I posted this on several different sites. Yes, I found out about "shiny" and also "matte" which also was misspelled. This post had nothing to do with USO, in fact I was looking for a scope for my new Ruger #1B in .204, and thought I would try to save some money this time over USO.  Yes, throwing $3000 at the problem will most definitely solve it, however I was hoping for a less expensive solution.
 
Most interesting was a Chinese made variable for $49.94. It in fact appeared "bright and clear" until I focused it on a dollar bill over the counter at 50 feet or so. It appeared totally blurred out.
 
Now, as I was saying this site had the most helpful and friendly answers to all of the three I posted to. This is where I will bring my optics questions in the future.
 
 
 
 
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By chance do you really mean "bright and shiny"? I'm not sure how "shinny" would apply to an optical device, except maybe to shinny up a scope, as one would shinny up a tree. (That would indeed be quite a large scope!)

By the same token, are you sure "contrasty" is actually a word? Using the same nit-picking criteria, when referring to a scope's finish, the finish you refer to is usually listed as "matte". Come on, the guys here are just everyday guys, and no one here claims to be either an optical expert, or a literature professor...... humorously or not, give us a break. :|
 
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