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If you had to pick your top 3 brass for reloading, and also pick the bottom 1. Who makes your list? (Ex. Norma, Lapua, Lake City, Remington, Winchester, Nosler, Federal, Hornady, etc).

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norma, lapaua, do you need any more??Bucky
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

norma, lapaua, do you need any more??Bucky


Pyro, what's your bottom 1?
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ive gotta say that remington has given me more troubles in my shooting career than any other brand has.
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For the top, for me at least, it's Lapua and Norma. I haven't had real long case life with Remington and Federal brass. From what I understand, Nosler brass is mostly Norma. If you can find RWS brass, it's also supposed to be real tough.
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Lapua #1  Love it have to special order it from Midway so I dont get much very often.
Remmington #2   <====<<<  what I usually buy they usually have 51 in a bag of 50 which is nice.
Winchester #3   what I buy if I cant get the Rem but it usually looks like factory seconds or thirds the reject brass that they did not use to load their ammunition, usually bent sometimes unuseable.
 
Military Brass   5.56 is the worst to deal with due to the crimped primer
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Lapua all the way for me. Not even sure I even know or care what #2 or #3 might be, but Lake City is OK, I guess. 
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#1. Lapua

#2. Nosler/Norma

#3. Winchester








#58. Federal
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I've never had any trouble with Nosler, Rem, Win, Hornady, or Federal in getting great groups/loads for hunting rifles. 
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Originally posted by tejas tejas wrote:

#1. Lapua

#2. Nosler/Norma

#3. Winchester








#58. Federal


That's hilarious. Overwhelming boos for Federal.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

I've never had any trouble with Nosler, Rem, Win, Hornady, or Federal in getting great groups/loads for hunting rifles. 


My knock on Federal isn't group size, it's longevity. Reload it it twice and the primers fall out.
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Thats interesting. I have some federal .308 i have load 8 or 9 times and it still works just fine. You must be loading it pretty hot to ruin it that quick
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I have very limited experience with brass other than Winchester, probably because of the caliber I have the most experience reloading for is 300WSM. I have tried Fed and Remington, but like Winchester better due to the primer pockets lasting longer.

 With my 7-08, it came with 100 pieces of brass. One box of 50 Remington, one box of 50 Lake City match(77). Both are head-stamped 308, but it works. LC definitely has better primer pockets than all the others I have tried.
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I've used a variety of brass, but generally have stuck with Lapua as my precision brass. It's been a while since I've checked, but it was always cheaper than Norma and just as highly regarded. Lapua has worked well and lasts a long time. There's no need to weigh or sort cases or deal with some of the other chores you get with lower quality brass.
 
A few years ago, I was given a variety of .308 ammo that was surplus and saved all the brass out of habit. But I rarely bother loading any of it. One thing I did early on when I started handloading that I wouldn't do again is buy used brass where I had no idea how many firings it had been through. I picked up a bunch of LC brass - some pre-primed - from an estate sale. The previous owner had no words to say on the subject. It shot fine, but I discarded it after two firings.
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I use a fair variety of brass and aside from differences between manufacturers, there is also a difference between calibers for most manufacturers (don't ask me why).

Overall:

#1. Lapua
#2. Norma (my Norma 338LM brass is so close to Lapua it is hard to tell the difference)
#3. Lake City 5.56 brass has been good to me
#4. Jamison brass has worked well, but in a very limited sampling
#5. ????
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#100. Hornady and Winchester has worked OK in some calibers
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#700,000 Remington, Federal, etc.
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#900,000 PPU

As a general rule, I try to use Lapua when available.  For higher volume cartridges, I can't afford Lapua, so I use Lake City for 5.56 and occasionally a few others.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

 #900,000 PPU
 
 
For rating for PPU is that for rifle brass? I ask because I've bought .308 PPU Match 168 and love that brass. No problems at all.
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Originally posted by garyalarson garyalarson wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

 #900,000 PPU
 
 
For rating for PPU is that for rifle brass? I ask because I've bought .308 PPU Match 168 and love that brass. No problems at all.

Yep.

I have seen a lot of PPU brass and it varies so wildly that I have to rank it low.

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I have done the PPU .338LM, the .308 Match, and the .223PPU and was not impressed or unimpressed, It is an alternative, I am on my 3rd round of .338LM brass and it is still in spec and no issues.

I will however start looking at the .223PPU closer now that you say that about the Spec, I had some issues with primer pockets if I remember I thought it was the Cheap Tula Primers, during the Primer Craze...
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I shoot a lot of milsurp calibers for which PPU is/was the only source of remotely affordable ammo, so I see a lot of different PPU cases.  If I want accuracy, I have to do some serious sorting on PPU cases, based on weight, wall thickness in the neck, etc.

I have to do the same for Remington, et al.

Once I figured out how much time that takes me I started using Lapua as much as I can.  It is expensive, but saves me a huge amount of time.

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I agree on that.

I find Lapua is nice solid consistent contact and extremely repeatable as far as resistance and feel, Norma is Crazy as well...

I only buy brass not loaded so I maybe would say that might be the difference...Dont know though
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Thats interesting. I have some federal .308 i have load 8 or 9 times and it still works just fine. You must be loading it pretty hot to ruin it that quick
I think the Federal issue may mostly be with "small letter" .223, as their big letter stuff (ala FC 12) is ok and their other rifle brass seems fine to me.

Bolt Rifle: Top 2 would be WW and R-P, although have much Federal and Hornady a
Auto Rifle: coffee cans full of milsurp... gotta love LC
Least fave is PPU (nny)

Pistol Brass: Federal pistol brass is excellent, as is Rem, WW and Starline is my favorite, for when I feel like steaming something up to wrist arthritis- inducing levels.

I have very little Norma brass and no Lapua. I'm a range brass kind of guy... back in the not- too distant past when you could pick up all the brass you wanted at the ranges, i stocked up and have a lifetime supply of every flavor I shoot and more than a few that I don't (but might- it could happen.)
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

I'm a range brass kind of guy... back in the not- too distant past when you could pick up all the brass you wanted at the ranges, i stocked up and have a lifetime supply of every flavor I shoot and more than a few that I don't (but might- it could happen.)
 
I'm like that on the golf course with leftover tees and lost golf balls. :) My performance is so bad on the greens it doesn't matter what tee or ball I use. They all sink and get lost the same.
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I have so much brass in calibers I shoot that some headstamps will probably never get loaded. In most calibers, I'm able to segregate headstamps for individual rifles and then just neck size and bump shoulders as needed. For instance, it's no secret that I'm a fan of .30-06 and one rifle uses WW, another gets R-P,  FC, etc.

Some brass gets designated as "woods or walk- around" brass because I don't care if it gets lost, or not. It's great fun to go try to bust rocks on the side of the buttes around home from various distances and if a case gets lost in the tall grass, no biggie. I might not even look for them...
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