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Looks like I've been using the wrong bore guide all these years according to the post, because a barrel brush will and has gone through my Stoney Point bore guide. Guess I need a Lucas two piece.

 
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wanted to post this one- some stuff here I've never seen before-- I sure its one of 5000 out there
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Thank you for posting this, Dale.
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Looks like I've been using the wrong bore guide all these years according to the post, because a barrel brush will and has gone through my Stoney Point bore guide. Guess I need a Lucas two piece.

 


Wow, did I make a bad choice long ago getting Dewey bore guides?
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Any bore guide is better than no bore guide.  All you're trying to do is line up the jag with the bore center so it doesn't use the chamber shoulder as a ramp and dig a hole in the bottom of the neck, which it will do over time.
 
I love cleaning technique threads, the witches and warlocks come out of hiding!
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yes and the alchemists and magicians also
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Isn't that thte truth.  I help run a 1 day event with about 60 bench shooters.  These guys shoot 10 rounds and clean to bare metal.  Each year thre's one or two guys that are using a "new" method of cleaning.  The next year everyone is using it, but one or two more guys have a "new" method they swear by.  Last year it was peroxide after shooters choice then acetone to dry.
 
I imagine this Saturday the range is going to have a real peculiar odor to it as 58 shooters get out the chemicals.
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Looks like I've been using the wrong bore guide all these years according to the post, because a barrel brush will and has gone through my Stoney Point bore guide. 
I'm sure thats tongue in cheek.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Looks like I've been using the wrong bore guide all these years according to the post, because a barrel brush will and has gone through my Stoney Point bore guide. 
I'm sure thats tongue in cheek.


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amazes me how so many different people get excellent results, using which seems at times, to be using methods that are at complete odds with one another
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Looks like I've been using the wrong bore guide all these years according to the post, because a barrel brush will and has gone through my Stoney Point bore guide. 
I'm sure thats tongue in cheek.
 
More tongue than cheek, Dale. Wink 
No smartassery inferred, nor implied.
 
I pride myself on having clean weapons and buying a claimed superior cleaning devise is not out of the question for me at all. I try to buy the best gear my budget (and wife) will allow and have no problem picking up a 2 piece Lucas bore guide if it does a better job than my current guide. 
My cheap and very old Stoney Point guide works loose too easily when in use, so maybe the Lucas is indeed the answer.
I use a Dewey bore guide for my AR which I like better.  
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I'll bet your methods works great--- no need to change -- if a parts worn out thats another matter.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

amazes me how so many different people get excellent results, using which seems at times, to be using methods that are at complete odds with one another
   No kidding, just when you think your finally using the "correct methods", and getting good results, two years later your reading something somewhere that you have basically been damaging your guns all along. Too many opinions on proper gun care & barrel break-in for me. A guy could drive himself insane trying to follow everyones opinions on the best procedures.  I just stay with what I've been doing for years, and with no issues.

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On the topic of bore cleaning.  Is that bore snake any good?  I see that you have to buy a different one for each caliber, though.  It seems like it would be an easy way to clean a bore.
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About all a bore brush will do is get out loose carbon and some powder residue.  It works good for a quick brush out but don't use them to replace a proper cleaning.
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Mike is a pretty good guy and is prompt in getting you his bore guide. Its a very good tool .. does its job well, but I'm still spending lots of time cleaning. I spent 4 days cleaning my gun after 35 rounds and still feel I can get more copper out of it..  -factory rifle, dangit.! I guess I'm gonna have to do the speedy method .
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Originally posted by Charlie-bolted Charlie-bolted wrote:

Mike is a pretty good guy and is prompt in getting you his bore guide. Its a very good tool .. does its job well, but I'm still spending lots of time cleaning. I spent 4 days cleaning my gun after 35 rounds and still feel I can get more copper out of it..  -factory rifle, dangit.! I guess I'm gonna have to do the speedy method .
 
Clean less + shoot more = Enjoy your rifle and shooting more.
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Good go 8's. Pull the trigger and it all gets blown out the other end. If the theory of only shooting a clean bore is true, then you should never shoot a second shot. I like to shoot a lot, so a partialy fouled bore is more consistant to all shots fired from the average rifle. Consistancy is the answer to hitting the target more often. Too much of a good thing is usually a bad thing whether it is water, wine or women. all can be a good thing but to much is bad more often.
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3-tens, agree with you on that one. I went into a cleaning frenzy after Forsters bore foam came on the market. Shooting became a pain in the butt, because it was followed by an hour of cleaning. My rifle started shooting worse and worse, and I cleaned more and more. Eventually I saw the connection. Now, I shoot, run a copper brush through it with shooters choice, a few jags and I am done. 15 min tops. And my rifle is back to its old self.
Each rifle is unique, each shooter is unique and therefore I cannot prescribe how others must do it, but less cleaning works for me. My main objective is to prevent barrel corrosion and pitting, not removing copper.
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Fyeah! Shootin is the bomb!.. Not like cleaning lspent that time cleaning to see if I could patch until they came out white like the directions say.. I don’t think there are enough patches to do that. . (factory rifle)

 

If yer keepin track here’s my method of what I did. Yep, 4 freegin days , booooring

 

Typically I use Butches Bore shine, but decided to go with the better smelling solvent this time (at least at the beginning).

 

Equipment used:

Tiptons carbon fiber single pc rod with bronze jag

Lucas bore guide

Cotton knit patches (3 oz) 2 ½” x 2 ½” cut into quarters.

Nylon brush

 

Cleaning method:

{ 1 cycle = 2 saturated patches, soak 5-15min, then 1 semi sat patch, then 1 dry patch }.

 

Mon.:

5 cycles Hoppes 9 Powder Solvent (20 patches total)

4 cycles Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent (18 patches total)

then I gave up.

Tues.:

7 cycles Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent (27 patches total)

2 nylon brush passes, (detach at muzzle)

then I gave up.

Wed.:

2 cycles Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent, EXTENDED soak time to 45 minutes each cycle (8 patches total),

1 cycle SOAK OVERNIGHT Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent (6 HOURS)

you guessed, gave up.

Thur.:

4 cycles Butch’s Bore Shine (17 patches total)

again, gave up , but copper beginning to show much dilution on patches.

 

 

To soak is friggin time consuming, I’ll stick with 8shots’ method.

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My shooting buddy started have problem with his 22-250 a couple of years ago it had always been very accurate He had been shooting Hornady moly bullets for a long time.
He tried the electro-clean process and he was surprised how much fouling came out, its apparently harder to see the copper with the moly in the barrel. It was an overnight cure and his rem 700 was back to shooting good again.
I have used Sweets 7.62 followed by a good lubricant if you don't put oil or something back into the bore you can get rust in a short time.
 
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Originally posted by Charlie-bolted Charlie-bolted wrote:

Fyeah! Shootin is the bomb!.. Not like cleaning lspent that time cleaning to see if I could patch until they came out white like the directions say.. I don’t think there are enough patches to do that. . (factory rifle)

 

If yer keepin track here’s my method of what I did. Yep, 4 freegin days , booooring

 

Typically I use Butches Bore shine, but decided to go with the better smelling solvent this time (at least at the beginning).

 

Equipment used:

Tiptons carbon fiber single pc rod with bronze jag

Lucas bore guide

Cotton knit patches (3 oz) 2 ½” x 2 ½” cut into quarters.

Nylon brush

 

Cleaning method:

{ 1 cycle = 2 saturated patches, soak 5-15min, then 1 semi sat patch, then 1 dry patch }.

 

Mon.:

5 cycles Hoppes 9 Powder Solvent (20 patches total)

4 cycles Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent (18 patches total)

then I gave up.

Tues.:

7 cycles Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent (27 patches total)

2 nylon brush passes, (detach at muzzle)

then I gave up.

Wed.:

2 cycles Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent, EXTENDED soak time to 45 minutes each cycle (8 patches total),

1 cycle SOAK OVERNIGHT Hoppes 9 BR Copper Solvent (6 HOURS)

you guessed, gave up.

Thur.:

4 cycles Butch’s Bore Shine (17 patches total)

again, gave up , but copper beginning to show much dilution on patches.

 

 

To soak is friggin time consuming, I’ll stick with 8shots’ method.

 
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Mr. Mike, it appears we have a warlock on our hands. Wink
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Is the manufacture of Lucas guides the same manufacturer that made Lucas Electrics? the lights used on Triumph motercycles and Jag Cars.  Lucas Electric was refered to by owners of those motercyles as the prince of darkness and the story goes, the reason the English drink warm beer is they have Lucas refrigerators.
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

 
Shocked
 
Mr. Mike, it appears we have a warlock on our hands. Wink
 
 
I'm sure I'll better that one day. But, not bloody likely in the forseeable future. 
 
Just an hour(max) after each session for a while. Big%20Grin   
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