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Julio bear in mind that anything you loose in velocity due to unburned powder works in your favor as it reduces recoil.   We are talking really small amounts of change here but the bigest advantage is you take a heavy barrel tactical rifle and cut it to 18 or 20 and make it significantly lighter and much more user friendly when walking around with it and if you hunt in a blind you can get the short barrel out the window easier. For all practical uses it helps. For ulltra long range bench rest it isnt recommended but it doesnt matter to those guys if their rifle weighs 20 lbs cause they are not carrying it around.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Short barrel rifles have been known to come with other accessories like these:

a nancy pelosi doll and an H2?Bucky
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since we are on the subject, have any of you guys ever seen a short barreled .338 lapua??
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I have my new LH 40X at the smith's now for barrel cut-down.  Mine, at 27.25, is just too long for some things, and since this will be suppressed most of the time, I need to take some length off so I can add some length on.
 
Treat her nice...I hope to own that weapon some day. Wink
I've wanted that rifle since you bought it, RC. Bucky 
 
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Rancid  I've seen those they made them for some company that built gas piston AR uppers. The small points are ment to be a non-lethal compliance device.   Makes me wonder - what ever happened to bayonettes. Devil
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

since we are on the subject, have any of you guys ever seen a short barreled .338 lapua??
Relax Pyro we have long barreled guns also - really it's OK to have both.
 
 
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Pyro thats a Sarah Palin doll not a Nasty Pelosi.  If it had been Nasty she would have come with a HYbrid Prius.

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Pyro thats a Sarah Palin doll not a Nasty Pelosi.  If it had been Nasty she would have come with a HYbrid Prius.


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wes your killing me!!

i was just wondering if they made such an animal, i cant see somebody cutting something like that down to 18" the muzzle blast off of that would be terrible.



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Ying Yang   there is advantage and disadvantage to different design changes but for a guy who is limited by medical condition like Julio is it makes a lot of sense to reduce the weight of a heavy barrel rifle like an R5 Mil Spec by about a pound or pound and a half by cutting from 24 down to 18 or 20.  That way he still has a very capable rifle that is light enough for him to be able to use it, but with enough weight to absorb some of the recoil compared to a   5lbs. 2oz.  Kimber Montana .308 that is light but with significantly increased recoil.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/84m/84m_montana/36/   He isnt trying to get to 1000 yds but for him an ultra accurate 400 yd shot that will drop an elk  from  a gun that carefully ballances the recoil reducing factor that weight adds with the limitation in mind that he cant carry a full weight rifle that is 9 lbs plus the weight of the scope and mounts that throws the system over his 10 lbs maximum.  So for Julio I think it's a workable option in a .308 and I think the only other option would be to go to a lesser caliber like 7mm08,   .260Rem .243 Win.  6.5x55 .25-06 etc.

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Mark, considering how well Black Betty shot with her factory tube...

you're a brave man.  Not avacado sized... cantaloupe sized!!!

When I get a rifle to shoot really well, I quit tinkering with it and don't risk screwing up the space/time continuum.

But...maybe I've got marbles.


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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Cut the 26" barrel down on Black Betty to 20".
 
Before:
 
 
After:
 
 
Will shoot tomorrow. Sharp Shooter 
 
 

.................CT!!!..................Lookin good there. Aside from being LH and your larger scope, it kinda looks like my Ruger Alaskan (aka Sarah). The 20" barrel length looks very porportional with the rifle. Glad to read it shoots just fine after the cut-down! It will be easier to manuver and to carry around wherever you may happen to be. Slinged on your shoulder, the muzzle should  be level with the top of your head, maybe a little lower. Imo, it`s not so much a reduction in overall rifle weight that matters quite as much, it`s the handling and manuverability with the shorter length.

I presume you previously chrony`d a good # of loads from the 26" barrel??? I would be very curious as to what those same loadings chrony now. I`ll guess anywhere from 16 fps to a 22 fps average (per inch) loss, or a 96 to 132 fps total loss after the cut-down.
 
If I`m losing only from 4.2% to 4.5% from 7.5" of shorter tube length vs 24" 300 WSMs, your overall percentage loss should be a little less with the 6" loss. Looking forward to finding out! Also, have you noticed any increased noise or muzzle flash which most complain about from a shorter barrel???  
 
Congrats on the new look for "Black Betty",,,,aka,,,, the "Squeezer Special" look! Big Grin Excellent
 
I kinda wish it were a 270! Pyro would not have only been peeeved at you for owning a 270 in the first place, but as I read now, he seems a little upset Cussingat you for cutting the barrel down!!!LaughRoll on Floor Laughing
Oh well!!.Roll on Floor Laughing.........Can`t please `em all...Wink
 
Enjoy!!!!!
 
PS.....Para-phrasing a Dick Metcalf article I read quite awhile back!....... Any excessive muzzle flash from the shorter barrels, IS NOT the result of any unburned powder as some may wish to think. It is a result from the hot GASES produced by the powder after ignition. Whether a barrel is 4", 6" or 7.5" shorter than a 24" er, before any bullet leaves the barrel, the powder is entirely and instantanously all burned up. That applies to any faster, medium, or slower burning powder that is suitable for use with a given cartridge.
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

At least he didn't cut it down to 16.5"!!!   Whatever
...........Na Na.......Roll on Floor Laughing
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

At least he didn't cut it down to 16.5"!!!   Whatever
...........Na Na.......Roll on Floor Laughing
 
 
 
Really guys it's OK to own both.   Cool I think everyone should have one of each.
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I agree, who would not want to own a Remy in 308 with a 20" Barrel, it would work perfect for someone such as myself, even a 18" would be great for what I need! Great for the Brush or Tactical Work! I hate to use Long Barrels in the Brush!
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Ya know...at Remington "South Paws are people too"........
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(Cept when it comes to making LH actioned rifles.....) Baseball Bat
Oh the inhumanity,  I can no longer say I own Black Betty's twin sister.  SadBTW Mark, Remington assures me they make at least 5 700s in LH .308 a year.  but to date I know of no 5R's in LH configuration.So if she looses her mojo an 5R is not an option.  Lilja or Krieger are though.I hope she stays a shooter for ya Bro!!!  WinkIF NOT, Baseball Bat it's the wood shed.   

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Mark, I'll let you know how she shoots.  And everything is for sale for cash, make an offer, she might be yours!

Few barrels, of which I am aware, loose accuracy when cut down.  A good crown is the trick, the rifling that made it accurate at 26 will make it accurate at 20 too.
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  Well,if things don't work out there's always one of these:
 
 
  
 
                                                                            Whistling
 
 
 
 
 
    By the way.  I LIKE BB's new look.  Kinda sexy!
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Looks nice Mark.  Agree with Ted, not sure I would have the stones to mess with it since you had it shooting, well, fair Big Grin.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  
    By the way.  I LIKE BB's new look.  Kinda sexy!
 
Yeah, she's a lap model now!  Wink
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