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I have a dilemma.  Do I spend the extra $$ on a top of line set of binos and a mid line scope or a top of line scope and mid line bino?  I mostly deer hunt in west AL.  I cant afford top of line both, so I have a choice to make.  Any advice?

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Scope... You make a life and death choice everytime you make a shot.
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Binocular...  You can't shoot what you can't find.  Besides, you will use it far more than a riflescope and it will enhance your outdoors pleasure in times and places that the riflescope won't be around.  

All mid-grade (and even many budget-class)  riflescopes are fully capable of resolving the target image way beyond the degree necessary to take clean, ethical shots.  If you miss your target, or (heaven forbid) even shoot the wrong one, it won't be because your scope failed to offer you the requisite information to appropriately make that "life and death choice." 


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swaro 8X30 slc bino
swaro 3X10X42 scope  (this combo is really all I can afford by any stretch)

swaro 8X30 slc
ziess conquest 3.5X10X50 (or 44)  (this combo is a little less expensive)

zeiss conquest 8X30
new leupold VX3  3.5X10X50

just a couple combos I am tossing around....

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I hunt in northeast Al, most of the time.  I have never found a case where binocular quality was the determinant on whether I took a shot or not.  I have also hunted Texas, Kalifornia, New Mexico, Minnesota.  Have never found binocular quality is the determinant.  I would go for a better scope and mid-quality binocular.  But that is just MY preference.  There are others who have different ones and that is AOK.  I would always prefer to have the better glass on my rifle. 

However, I can't fault your Swaro/Swaro option or the Swaro/Zeiss. 

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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

Binocular...  You can't shoot what you can't find.  Besides, you will use it far more than a riflescope and it will enhance your outdoors pleasure in times and places that the riflescope won't be around.  

 
Agreed. You will spend ALOT more time "glassing" with a good quality binocular, than pulling the trigger.
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Just pulled the trigger on some Promaster Infinity Elite ELX ED 8X42......will let you know what I think once they come in......couldnt pass it up.

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Originally posted by skywalker skywalker wrote:

Just pulled the trigger on some Promaster Infinity Elite ELX ED 8X42......will let you know what I think once they come in......couldnt pass it up.

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I don't know what deal you got, but looks good to me. 
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Originally posted by skywalker skywalker wrote:

Just pulled the trigger on some Promaster Infinity Elite ELX ED 8X42......will let you know what I think once they come in......couldnt pass it up.

skywalker
 
Skywalker,
 
I've got those and the new ZEN ED.  You have ordered top line optics for mid level price.  Now you still have some money for a scope. 
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my exact thoughts Klamath.......

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I use bincoulars about 100 times as much as scopes, so that's where I'd put my money
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And I use binoculars even more that that Embarrased
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Whatever floats your boat... I DO NOT use binoculars that much, so it would be a waste.  As a matter of fact, I more often go get a scope to look at distant objects than I ever use my binoculars.  Never really think about the binocs, carry them sometimes, more often don't.  Just never had a great need for them. 
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You saved money on the bino, now you should be able to get the conquest or swaro scope.
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I used to be that same way until I got a real nice pair of bino's.  Now I would much rather us the bino over a scope any day.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I used to be that same way until I got a real nice pair of bino's.  Now I would much rather us the bino over a scope any day.
Agreed top of the line Bino and a mid line scope. If you got a conquest it would more than do the job that a riflescope is needed to do to hunt during legal shooting hours I promise.
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We will just forever have to disagree... I've used "top of the line" bino, just don't care for binoculars.  I have a good mid range bino and I also have an image stabilized. 
Me, I like a scope. 
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There is the issue of pointing a rifle at something you don't intend to shoot, but...
Some places I hunt I never take binocs because you don't have time to use them.  I use binoculars for a lot more than hunting; in fact I use them almost every day, so that's where my money is best spent.
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One big advantage to a good pair of binos that I believe many people don't realize or haven't given much thought to is the fact that good binos are also very useful in close quarters, thick foliage hunting scenarios.  Typically, the average hunter thinks that you don't need binoculars for close-in hunting like this, where a long shot may be less than 50 yards.  In reality, I actually think this is where a good binocular is most useful!  I've found that my binos greatly help me to pick out an ear, tail, antler tine, etc. from tiny openings in the brush.  They in essence help you see "through" the brush and foliage, because as you are focusing through openings in the foliage, the closer limbs, leaves, etc can be minimized from the view as they are out of focus.
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Put me in the binocular camp here.  I figure the one thing I use every waking second of my hunting time is my eyes.  I figure the main function of my eyes as a hunting tool is to locate big game before it sees me.  A binocular, particularly a good binocular is the single best tool out there to enhance your ability to use your eyes, and thus the single best hunting tool we have.  I'll take a simple 4x fixed scope on top of a good rifle and a really good binocular any old time.
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I will pick a top quality bino and a mid level scope everytime. I use my bino's alot more than I use a riflescope.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

One big advantage to a good pair of binos that I believe many people don't realize or haven't given much thought to is the fact that good binos are also very useful in close quarters, thick foliage hunting scenarios.  Typically, the average hunter thinks that you don't need binoculars for close-in hunting like this, where a long shot may be less than 50 yards.  In reality, I actually think this is where a good binocular is most useful!  I've found that my binos greatly help me to pick out an ear, tail, antler tine, etc. from tiny openings in the brush.  They in essence help you see "through" the brush and foliage, because as you are focusing through openings in the foliage, the closer limbs, leaves, etc can be minimized from the view as they are out of focus.


Ditto

Get the best bino's you can afford. Like Rifledude said, your scoping and picking apart way more things with your bino's, up close and far away. I'll use my scope at least two times during deer season, once for each buck tag. I'll use my bino's just about every time I go out hunting. 




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I don't have anything against a good bino.  However, FOR MY PURPOSES, when the choice comes to 1) money on scope, 2) money on binocular... I CHOOSE #1.  
The difference is, I don't sit a lot, I stalk a lot.  It is very difficult to "glass" while stealthily maneuvering through the woods.  If you sit a lot, a binocular is fine.  If you are hunting in the wide open prairies or deserts where things can be very far off and see you even if you are not moving, binocular is fine.  For my type of hunting it is a hinderance.  You'll not hunt the way I do, mostly, with a binocular stuck to your face.  If you try it, you won't see much, except perhaps leaves and dirt, because you'll fall down a lot.  
Maybe you use a "strap-on"...Devil
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I don't have anything against a good bino.  However, FOR MY PURPOSES, when the choice comes to 1) money on scope, 2) money on binocular... I CHOOSE #1.  
The difference is, I don't sit a lot, I stalk a lot.  It is very difficult to "glass" while stealthily maneuvering through the woods.  If you sit a lot, a binocular is fine.  If you are hunting in the wide open prairies or deserts where things can be very far off and see you even if you are not moving, binocular is fine.  For my type of hunting it is a hinderance.  You'll not hunt the way I do, mostly, with a binocular stuck to your face.  If you try it, you won't see much, except perhaps leaves and dirt, because you'll fall down a lot.  
Maybe you use a "strap-on"...Devil


Being on the West Coast, I spot and stalk (hard hunt) too the difference is in our area, multiple terrain, how we hunt, etc. we use our bino's a lot. It's very easy to be stealthy with bino's placing 'em in a partially open shirt (so they don't get hung up on brush or in the way if your crawling) and pulling 'em out when needed. I don't know where you hunt but it sounds like you use your rifle scope as bino's which I guess works fine for you and your hunting style.


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