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All you "experts" should check this out...

 

www.24hourcampfire.com/binoculars.html

 

Here is another good one:

 

www.24hourcampfire.com/hunting_subpage.htm



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Really good site and a good article. Jon Barsness is one of my favorite authors. I have his optics book and wish he would write a version two. Thanks again Gary.
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I've read this article before.  He makes some excellent points relating to getting the most value in your purchase.  I have been saying for some time now that my (admittedly limited) experiences have caused me to conclude that the average hunter (due to the limited amount of time that most of them really and truly spend actually using their optics) cannot see nor appreciate the difference between a $300 binocular and a $1000+ bincocular. My family serves as an excellent example.  My brother-in-law swears he can see no image difference (in clarity, brightness, or anything else) between the 8X32 Bushnell Trophy I sold to him a few years back and my 8X42 Pentax DCF WP or my 10X42 B&L Discoverer, both of which are vastly superior binoculars.  My younger brother claims the same in relation to his 8X32 Bushnell Legend. My best friend, my boss, and another coworker all own Nkon Monarchs and they all claim to be unable to see any difference between their binoculars and others costing many times the amount.  (BTW, my friend is a very successful lawyer, my boss is the CEO of a hospital, and the other coworker is the hospital's CFO, so in none of these cases is the issue one of self imposed delusion or jealosy brought on by the inability to afford the very best optics.)

 

I really believe the "average" user who spends between $300 and $500 on their binocular will generally be more than completely satisfied with the optical performance of their particular choice. (BTW, those of us who frequent this and other sites debating the merits and failures of every conceivable aspect of optics probably don't qualify as "average" users.)



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Lucznik:  said it best with regards to the average user being completely satisfied with a $300-$500 pair of binoculars.  Personally, I think it you are a professional (hunter, outfitter, guide, bird watcher ) whatever;  then spend the money and get one of the German optics.  I dont bird watch and I hunt as much as I can (work permitted) so I feel very comfortable and well served with my Swift Audubon ED, Carson XM's and Weaver GrandSlam series of binoculars. I have said it before the first leap  from junk optics to the $300 range is the biggest leap of all that is where you will see the most improvement, after that the gap gets smaller with each step up.

 

Lusznik: By the way thanks again for the B&L Discoverer recommendation I gave my father in law the 8x42 pair for Christmas and he always used cheap junk bino's so when he went out to look through the B&L's he was beyond impressed.  They were a very good buy and thanks for the recomendation.

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The last two posts were absolutely excellent. Great points gentleman. I have yet to read the article but am eager to considering the last few posts.
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Great article, thanks for the post Gary.....

 

I agree with him on a few points, but I do feel that you get what you pay for in most cases....Don't get me wrong I don't think you have to spend $1000.00 to get a good set of glass, I think you have to spend that kind of money to get a great set of glasses. Glasses that most of us could get by without, but whenever you plunk down that kind of money you can't go wrong. (Except for the Brunton Epochs...man what a waste of money!)

 

That being said, I sold my Leupold Wind River Pinnacles (Japan made) and purchased a set of the "old" Swarovski SLC's this past year and every time I put the Swaro's to my eyes, I still say "WOW!"  

 

 



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Acenturian:

 

You're welcome on the Discoverers.  I also have been very happy with mine.

 

By the way, anyone who still might want one probably needs to get on the stick soon. Cabela's is now only selling the 10X version of this binocular. The 8X model is completely gone. And who knows how many of those 10Xs they still have left?

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Not to worry to much, the new Bushnell Discoverer bino's have improved coatings (XTR for whatever that's worth) and I have a pair in the 10x42 version. I have to say that after looking through these that I would have to admit that what lucznik said about the "average" person looking through these would not be able to appreciate any big difference between these and bino's costing much more is very likely to be true. They are very nice indeed.
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Roy,

 

Unfortunately you are talking about a roof prism binocular whereas the Discoverer in question is their porro prism model which has been discontinued and is not likely to be reintroduced anytime soon. The last few are available from Cabelas.  They have sold out of the 8X models and are selling the last of the 10Xs for $180.

 

 I would love to get a 10X roof prism Discoverer for the $180 I spent on my porro. I have looked through the roofs a few times and have always really liked them. My wife would kill me if I bought another full size binocular right now though. (Actually, she would probably kill me if I bought a compact as well.  Well, maybe she'd just maim me a bit for the compact.)

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Thats why all the cops I used to work with used to get all their packages delivered to the police department I guess. Maybe thats  why they always wore a vest now that I think about it. What you are referring to is more commonly called the " WAF" or "Wife acceptance Factor". As we used to say, "she'ill get over it".
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"By the way, anyone who still might want one probably needs to get on the stick soon. Cabela's is now only selling the 10X version of this binocular. The 8X model is completely gone. And who knows how many of those 10Xs they still have left?"

 

lucznik,

 

I mentioned it over on birdforum but thought I might mention it here as well. The mail order catalog might be out of the 8x model but I saw several of them at the local retail outlet in Hamburg just last week. Considering their customer service they just might sell the ones they have in stock over the phone. Worth a shot for someone that really wants an 8x model.

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GaryO, don't know how you find all these sites, but, keep um comming!!!
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