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Hello, 

I nned your advice to get a big power binos on a budget arround 600, for glassing muleys in the Sonora deset, and the sandhills
I already have swarovision 10x50, and spotting scope, but want some big porros to glass far away with both eyes....  I just dont get used to look through the spotting scope .....  get eye fatigue quickly

have found the following:

Pentax PCF WP II 20 x60  
Minox German BL 15x56 on budget !
Conquest 15x45 - but not recommended by reviewers
Vortex Kaibab 15x56 too expensive !

like the Pentax for the 20x, best price $, and 60mm objectives..  but no idea of how good they are  against the others...  
Porros are best bang for the buck vs roof, so maybe they are not too bad

Thanks in advance




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If you never look through a really expensive 15x or 20x bino, then you will probably like the view through a PCF WPII. However, IMO the WP's view is somewhat "soft", for an immediate lack of a better term. Some of them have pretty short eye relief too, and I'm not so sure I believe the 21mm listed for the 20x. Although I would probably spend a bit more and go with something like an Orion or Oberwerk or Garrett astronomical binocular, I wouldn't be unhappy with the 20x Pentax. Pentax certainly builds a very sturdy product.

I have yet to see a Minox that has a view that was worth the cost. Therefore, I would stay far away from the BL, if I were you.

The Conquest is a pretty good product, but they have been out for a while now, and they don't compete well at their respective prices anymore. I would be pretty happy to have a 15x Conquest, but not if I had to pay for it myself. Couple the high prices with the small E.P., and I would say that it wouldn't be the best choice.

The Kaibab would be my choice out of the four you list, as long as someone else was paying for it. If it were my money, I would probably opt for the 15x Viper HD, rather than the 15x Kaibab. At the moment, the Viper might be the sweet spot in the 15x-20x area.

Lastly, if I were to buy a 15x to 20x bino, I would wait a bit and see what the new Nikon 16x56 will cost. I would bet that they will cost less than the 15x Viper HD. That, or just get a Canon 15x or 18x Image Stabilized. That way I would not need a tripod.......
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Yes,  there are new Nikon Monarch 5 comming in 20x56, and 16x56  

I think I have to wait to see their prices, I like nikons too !!


really thanks for your advice



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Originally posted by PhilR. PhilR. wrote:

If you never look through a really expensive 15x or 20x bino, then you will probably like the view through a PCF WPII. However, IMO the WP's view is somewhat "soft", for an immediate lack of a better term. Some of them have pretty short eye relief too, and I'm not so sure I believe the 21mm listed for the 20x. Although I would probably spend a bit more and go with something like an Orion or Oberwerk or Garrett astronomical binocular, I wouldn't be unhappy with the 20x Pentax. Pentax certainly builds a very sturdy product.

I have yet to see a Minox that has a view that was worth the cost. Therefore, I would stay far away from the BL, if I were you.

I own the Minox BD 10x44 BP Porro prism binocular and it is one of the "sharpest" Porro prism binoculars that I own, out of around 20 other binoculars.

I own five different Pentax PCF WP binoculars, including the 16x60 & two 20x60 binos, and none of them have a "soft view".

The top of the line Orion, Oberwerk, and Garrett Optical binoculars are available in a 15x70mm which is only available in Individual Focus, not very popular for hunting.
Also, these binoculars weigh in over five pounds each.
Also, these binoculars only come with a two year warranty at best. Thumbs Down


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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:



Originally posted by PhilR. PhilR. wrote:

If you never look through a really expensive 15x or 20x bino, then you will probably like the view through a PCF WPII. However, IMO the WP's view is somewhat "soft", for an immediate lack of a better term. Some of them have pretty short eye relief too, and I'm not so sure I believe the 21mm listed for the 20x. Although I would probably spend a bit more and go with something like an Orion or Oberwerk or Garrett astronomical binocular, I wouldn't be unhappy with the 20x Pentax. Pentax certainly builds a very sturdy product.

I have yet to see a Minox that has a view that was worth the cost. Therefore, I would stay far away from the BL, if I were you.<span style="line-height: 1.4;">
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">I own the Minox BD 10x44 BP Porro prism binocular and it is one of the "sharpest" Porro prism binoculars that I own, out of around 20 other binoculars.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">I own five different Pentax PCF WP binoculars, including the 16x60 & two 20x60 binos, and none of them have a "soft view".</span>
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">The top of the line Orion, Oberwerk, and Garrett Optical binoculars are available in a 15x70mm which is only available in Individual Focus, not very popular for hunting.</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Also, these binoculars weigh in over five pounds each.</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Also, these binoculars only come with a two year warranty at best. Thumbs Down</span>
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Like I stated above - if you haven't looked through a really good set of binoculars, then you will probably be happy with a WP, or a Minox for that matter. Perhaps one day you will be able to afford a really good set of binoculars, and then you will have a bit of understanding of what I am talking about. Certainly *none* of your five WP's could be considered a really good set of binoculars. If the only thing you ever drive is a Chevy Chevette, you probably think it's a pretty fast car (it isn't, by the way). Same thing with binoculars.....

I find it amusing how you like to lie in wait, and then immediately contradict other peoples opinions when they post them, rather than put up your own opinions. I'm not sure why you would tell me about your evaluations of my opinions, as I really don't care for your opinions anyway.

By the way - the astro-bin companies I mentioned are what I would do, and not what I told the OP he should do. At any rate, those companies make CF binos that are perfectly suited to what the OP wants. Of course you aren't going to mention something helpful like that, are you? If you did, then you wouldn't have the opportunity to make a contradicting statement.
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Originally posted by PhilR. PhilR. wrote:

 I really don't care for your opinions anyway. Baby
 

My responses are for the benefit of the OP. 




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Hey, Phil...
Why the smarmy, condescending "ignorance is bliss" response to Bird Watcher's post? He simply had a different opinion on the Minox based on first hand experience from owning one, and he was giving the OP his opinion on why he didn't think the astro binos you mentioned were as well suited to the application (hunting), and gave valid reasons why he felt that way. I happen to agree with him that a 5 lb, IF bino makes a horrible hunting optic, with all the other gear one typically hauls around while hunting and all the banging around gear can be subjected to while hunting. I would also be concerned about a measly 2 year warranty. Those are not subjective metrics like certain aspects of image quality. This doesn't mean he's wrong and you're right or vice-versa. He just provided a different take on a topic of mutual interest.  I read nothing in his response that indicated to me he was attacking you to warrant your sarcastic reply.
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What about Docter Nobilem 15X60 porro prisms? I know they're big but you'll sure be able to get up close and personal. Not all that expensive either. Let the flaming begin...
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Originally posted by bonesmalones bonesmalones wrote:

What about Docter Nobilem 15X60 porro prisms? I know they're big but you'll sure be able to get up close and personal. Not all that expensive either. Let the flaming begin...

Excellent Porro prism binoculars. Furious




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The excellent and discontinued Minox BD 15x58 BR ED show up from time to time on the used market in excellent condition for under $600 quite often. Optics are equal to the Vortex Kiabab HD. Best bib eye binocular for under $1000.

There is one up for bid now on that popular auction site.
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ok thanks 

I currently have
Swaro 10x50 Swarovision, love them, fantastic !!
Zeiss 8x42 FL
and the Diascope 20-60x85mm

I dont think I need more glasses but, it will be more practical for me to have the pentax 20x60, or new Monarchs 20x56,  instead of carring the spotting scope, and  for window glassing on the truck, will be easier to set up the binoculars than taking out the spotter and set it in the window mount, its too cumbersome, 
I think I want to get rid of the spotting scope and replace it with high power binos, besides I have a Swaro Z6i 5-30x50 which can help me check something quickly far away....

 
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Originally posted by timberbuck timberbuck wrote:

The excellent and discontinued Minox BD 15x58 BR ED show up from time to time on the used market ...

I've kicked myself for years for not buying a good quality, used, Minox 15x58 ED binocular. Butt Kick

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Someone told me to get the Swarovski 15x56, and if I want more magnification, add one of the bino 2x doubler on each eye piece.... and go up to 30x  Bino  !!! 

Has anybody used this configuration??

how does it work?

This could be very nice, to have 15x and beign able then double it up tp 30x... on swarovski glass
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