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I get it: near dark, big objective, high magnification, don't wanna miss the last shot of the day due to less-than-optimal optics.  As a hunter, i understand, I feel your pain!

 

This hog was taken just past dusk, "failing light" would be something of an understatement, and the Conquest 44mm objective (set at about 5X) was more than adequate to take her.

 

It was so late, in fact, that we waited to go get her till next morning.  Sow with piglets and a mortal wound in tall grass: not a good situation!

 

So, next time you think you need a 56mm or 72mm on a hunting rifle so you can take the late shots, remember this: if the gun is slow to shoulder or anything less than comfortable, controllable, natural, and swift, enough light will be the least of your problems.

 

In her infinite disgustingness, ain't she pretty!

 

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Gloriously, beautifully nasty beast, Rancid!  A man after my own heart, on a mission of mercy to help rid us all of yet another nasty stinking feral hawg!  I too share in your quest to help rid society of these vile beasts, one at a time. 

 

BTW -- where do you hunt that has such an abundance of smooth rounded, uniformly sized gravel like one would commonly see in a riverbed?

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What rifle is that and did you have to use high rings or did medium rings work on the zeiss 44mm objective?
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good lookin gun AND sow, rancid.

 

hey, i understand where you are coming from.  i purchased two 56mm's a year or two ago.  But my last two purchases were 50 and 40mm respecively.

 

each one has it's own purpose.  and the 56mm DOES come in hand for long dusk shots over beanfields on my 'meat' tract.
(place where if you don't kill the deer, the dogclub next to you wil) sucks, but true.

 

but 40mm is plenty for 90% of the hunting i do. 

 

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The rifle is a Tikka T3 Lite Camo, the rings are medium Warne QDs, and the sow was taken in Mississippi (on the driveway of our wilderness cabin just off the Nachez Trace.)

 

I too ahve a few scopes with larger objectives, but this is a stalking gun and needs to swing well, shoulder fast, and track; and it's tough to move a large scope on a 7-pound gun.  In my experience and humility, this is the best stalking gun I've ever shot.  For a stand, I'd choose a different rig, but this thing does everything I've ever needed it to do, and done it well.

 

Hogs need kill'in!

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Nice pic and gun/scope rig....looks like my favorite (3.5x10x44 ?) scope also. They fit medium height burris signiture zee rings and always clear for me. Good low light optics....

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Nice rifle and kill, RC.

 

 

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4.5-14x44, with a BDC, and data table on the stock, just in case.
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Ahhhhh......swapped my big sky against one but its still not here. Its a side focus right? How do you like it? Anything you don't like about it? I know....I know, I ask a lot of questions but inquiring minds want to know

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I like it, just one complaint: the original turrets have hash marks with a zero indicator but have no numbers.  So, you gotta count up and down and pray you never lose track of the revolution or the direction of zero.

 

But, that problem is quickly and eaily fixed with a windage comp dial (which I have yet to install.)  Putting the  the BDC on took all of 15 seconds and was worth every penny - and then some.

 

I highly recommend the scope and a Kenton BDC on it.  So far, out to 600 yards, it's been on the money.  And it is helpful on a scope whose adjustments are the opposite of most others: counter-clock for up is mistake-prone, unless the yardage is listed on the turret and you simply move the number to the indicator.

 

i like the scope and will buy many more Zeiss scopes in the future.  Also, Customer Service is great (used them to do the $50 target turret upgrade), they were good and kept me informed - but it did take the full 4 weeks.)

 

optics are clear, side focus works well, no problem taking shots at 5X in near darkness.  My last 2 hogs have been late, late shots with very little light and I was certain of target and backdrop on both.

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OK thank you....very informative. Where can I get info on the BDC? I ordered the non target turrets so they would be covered with caps when hunting, no chance of them getting moved. You hear all this stuff about backlash in the side AO adjustments online and I wondered if you had a problems with it.

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My BDC of choice:

http://www.kentonindustries.com/

 

At the same time you order the BDC, send the scope back to Zeiss to have target turrets installed (I just did the elevation turret) and both should arrive about the same time.

 

I have had no trouble with the AO dial; it's stiff enough not to move without effort but not so stiff as to not move when needed.

 

My liking of the Zeiss Conquest line comes from great experiences over several years now - just as my visceral disliking of Leupold comes from a few years of bad experiences.

 

I'd recommend this Conquest over anything (with which I have experience, and I have none with IOR - yet) at this pricepoint. 

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I compared Burris lasersight and Zeiss Diarange (  and a bunch of other scopes) on a late evening a bit more than a month ago.

We started when it was daylight and looked through different scopes while the ligth was dissapearing.

We had to stuffed animals, a hare at 150 yards and a fox at 40 yards.

After the light had dissapeared so we not could see anything trough Zeiss Diarange and Zeiss 3-12x56 Victory we could still see the fox in the Zeiss 72mm.

We drank som coffy and chatted for about 30 minutes and just before we should leave we looked at the hare again and could see it in the 72 mm Zeiss long after the 56mm scopes was worthless.

 

So I cannot agree with you, to see the animal is one of the most important things in hunting.

And to see what kind of animal you are shooting at is as important, to avoid shooting away the mum from the small pigs.

 

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You are free to disagree; and not only did I not avoid shooting the mum with small pigs, I tried to kill the small pigs too (but they ran away and will now starve or be food to some other predator.)

 

Yea, a 72mm would pass more light through - I cannot disagree with that; however, it would do so at the cost of a 72mm bell hanging off my 7.5 pound gun.  And the added expense in $$.

 

And, if I am hunting in total darkness, i am spot-lighting (legally in Texas) so I have no need for a massive scope gathering only ambient light.  This rig will hunt hogs anywhere, Caribou  and black bear in Alaska, and drop a deer if needed; and I can hump with it all day and not feel like I've been carrying an extra M2 barrel.

 

True, large objectives have a place in shooting, I own a few; but on a brush gun that will be strapped to the wing of a plane and flown out to BFE, it is, in my humble opinion, perfect.

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Thanks for all info RC....while chatting earlier my 4.5x14x44 was dropped off by big brown truck. I have looked thru and at it for quite a bit and now have it mounted on my first rifle to finish load development with. Fit finish and optics are all crystal clear and adjustment knobs are plenty stiff to avoid accidental moving. Figured out how to mount the sunshade on it and its ready for some serious shooting tomorrow. No visible parallax and crisp and clear to the outside edge of the lenses.

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Where I come from noone would show off that pig and admit they had shot it.

It's really a nono to shoot mums, and it's highly forbidden by law as well.

 

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Technika,
If you guys had as many feral pigs as my chums in the southern US you'd shoot the mums.
Come to think of it, maybe you guys would like to take a few of our hands... a million or so.  If you guys pay for the collection and transport we negotiate a trade.  One million pigs for a used Evert Taube CD. 
He's a farvorite of mine and unobtainable here.

Blir vaken.

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If you shoot the mums, the small pigs stay as small terrorists in the area and destroys far more than they would with a  mum. Without the mum there is noone to teach the young pig a proper behavior.

If you shoot a small pig, the mum with the small pigs is often leaveing the area for some weeks.

 

So you get exactly the kind of pigs you deserve.

 

Technika

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Good thing he's here, instead of over there...
Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

Where I come from noone would show off that pig and admit they had shot it.

It's really a nono to shoot mums, and it's highly forbidden by law as well.

 

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Wow..... feel like I'm in a disney movie with mums and dads and those mean old hunters Get a life guys.....they are vermin over here and not to be coddled by family order. Moms don't teach the little piglets to be good and they aren't from charlettes web. I don't save little rat mums either.......or baby coyote mums........or groundhog mums.....definatially no prarie dog mums. I will however shoot the entire family if given a chance, course if we stopped shooting deer mums or does as we call them......we'd soon be overrun with the deer herd too. Oh what a nation of animal mum slayers we have become I need to check and see that I shoot no more mum crows....... I guess.....I would check every bear I shoot  but hate to get that close behind them if you know what I mean kinda toothy........Hmmmm they've expanded the moose season to cows.......ooops I mean mums........now what are we to do......Course there should be no challenge to telling if the grouse are mums as they are flying off. I hope those hare and fox mounts are dads.........hate to think you guys are crude enough to be shooting bunnie mums, what will them babbie bunnies do with noone to teach them to be good?   I do think spelling mom as mum is kinda cute however.........

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So that is where terrorists come from, someone shot their Mum before they got taught proper behaviour
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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

Where I come from noone would show off that pig and admit they had shot it.

It's really a nono to shoot mums, and it's highly forbidden by law as well.

 

Regards Technika

 

No disrespect intended, but things are a bit different here.  The hogs I post aren't trophy material, they aren't even particularly impressive by hog standards; however, every hog I post is a dead hog - and here, a dead hog destroys no crops, runs off no game animals, spread no more disease, and destroys no more recreational land.

In the Southern US, hogs are a tremendous problem, so much so that I have 3 owners of large tracts of land who offer to let me come onto their property any time and kill as many as I can find.  One guy even pays for my ammo (and, at over $2/round, I don't miss and he pays promptly.)

 

When I hunt game animals, I do so humanely: i don't take a shot I am not almost certain to make, I don't shoot small game or young game, and I allow the animal to die in peace; however, when I shoot hogs, the rules change: kill all you see, wound if it's too far away to kill for certain, and never walk away from the opportunity to destroy something that destroys everything.

 

Here, legally, hogs are to be shot on sight: no permit required, no hunting license, no fear of legal reprisal.  They are an exponentially increasing population of very destructive and nasty beasts.

 

I'd love to come to Sweden and hunt a real hog, something worthy of eating and mounting on my wall; but, with all due respect, the game is different here.  I'm not trying to inflict undue pain and suffering on another living thing, I am simply trying to end its life and take as many of its relatives too.  It ain't about sport, it's about saving the land and killing the enenmy.

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Gotta be careful before preaching ethics to others in different situations - a game animal in one area is a pest in another.  My daughter lives in New Zealand on the South Island where rabbits are a pest.  They have a tradition of the "Great Easter Bunny Hunt", where 4 person teams compete to see which team can kill the most rabbits over a weekend, literally thousands are shot.  Would probably drive the bambists for their smelling salts, but rabbits are a non-indigenous pest species over there, same as the feral pigs.

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They shoot wabbits?  But they seem to be so smart from the cartoons of my youth.  Thousands dead, mercy  I do believe I have the vapors. 
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I am with you on this one Rancid Coolaid. We had a problem on Table Mountain, Cape Town. In the early 1900 some Himalyan Thar escaped from a zoo and fled up the mountain. They prolifirated and in the process gave our local steenbuck and klipspringer a hard time. Last year our Fauna and Flora (Game Rangers) decided it is time to take them out. Our bunny huggers went hysterical. Leave them alone. Hire helicopters and dart them and relocate them back to India and all that B.S. Spent thousands of $$$ on invasive animals, whilst under their noses street children and the poor are starving. And we hunters in Cape Town would actually pay to shoot them!!

Anyway, after a lot of hot air and PR they finally got some snipers to shoot them out.

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