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So what do you guys use to level the cross hairs? Doing it by hand I can never get them level. I looked at the Level Level Level but it seems to get really bad reviews. Any suggestions?
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Probably the easiest method is to hang a plumb line 20-30 feet away. If you don't have a plumb bob, just tie a fist sized rock on the end of a string, and the other end to a fence or something. Guarrenteed to be vertical!

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Yeah I've done something similar to this. However, then I don't seem to be able to get the gun level. So when I level the scope it ends up being off when I hold the gun up straight try to. I will get the gun so it looks level but can't ever get it fully level.
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you can use something like this to level the gun

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Does that thing clip on the scope base? Or on the gun somehow or what? It really looks like what I need, I'm just unsure of how it clips on. 
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Never mind I see how it attaches to the bases. One question though. What if on a gun with 2 piece bases where the ring takes up almost all of the base. Do you just use this to level it with the rings off the gun then take this off and put the rings on? Or is there something better to use in a case like this?
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Here's how I do it. Level rifle........



Step two, level scope....

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Where did you get that level? It looks handy. 
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Here's how I do it. Level rifle........



Step two, level scope....

Yeah  thats pretty much how i do as well
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Originally posted by slowr1der slowr1der wrote:

Where did you get that level? It looks handy. 


Had it for awhile. Probably can get a cheap one at any hardware store I would imagine.
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That is what they call a "line level'

The one he is using is made by Stanley, and that is the exact same way I level my rifles and scopes.Then when I'm sighting in I do a 360 dial turn on the Vertical knob, either up or down.
If the scope is level the group will move straight up or down, depending on which way you turned the knob.
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It looks to me that it would be better to take the stock off and find a place on the action to get the rifle level, then I wonder if you can trust the turret on the scope to be level? I guess the tolerance in the newer rifles would be better than the days when everybody and their dog tapped rifles for scopes.

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 I've had GOOD LUCK for yrs with the Segway Scope Leveler.
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http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=6097/Product/EXD_ENGINEERING_VERTICAL_RETICLE_INSTRUMENT

This is what I use.  Put the gun in a vise, put the level over the bell of scope and resting on the barrel, make sure they are plumb, tighten the vise and then use a plumb line or a verified plumb corner of a building and rotate your scope till the vertical bar and the plumb line are the same.  Have done this with my scopes and when I adjust vertical at the range it moves straight up and down and not at an axises.
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Originally posted by SD Dog SD Dog wrote:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=6097/Product/EXD_ENGINEERING_VERTICAL_RETICLE_INSTRUMENT

This is what I use.  Put the gun in a vise, put the level over the bell of scope and resting on the barrel, make sure they are plumb, tighten the vise and then use a plumb line or a verified plumb corner of a building and rotate your scope till the vertical bar and the plumb line are the same.  Have done this with my scopes and when I adjust vertical at the range it moves straight up and down and not at an axises.
 
Now this makes sense, I need to get one soon!
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I have tried several methods.  The turrets are not always level with the reticle, should be but not always.  Those little levels are just set in plastic and are often off and it is hard to find a good place on the action to set one
 
The method that I have been using for awhile now and can not find fault with is to use and EXD device
 
 
It is a well made tool
 
that was level with my 24" commercial woodworking level
 
What you are trying to do is lock your rifle in a vise when all the cant has been removed.  IOW when the vertical axis of the rifle and bore is aligned with the axis of the scope
 
Some more information available here
 
 
I lock my rifle in my bench vise when it is pointing out the door to a 4' level on the fence some 30 yards out.   When I have all the cant removed using the EXD device and the scope pointed at the 4' level, I rotate the scope in the rings until the horizontal reticle is aligned with the 4' level.  Next is the challenge of locking the scope in place with the EXD level and the reticle aligned with the distant level.  Not an easy thing to do and you will learn how the simple task of tightening screws on the rings can rotate your scope back and forth.
 
But when you are finished you will never again shoulder your rifle or set them in bags at the bench and have the frustration of knowing that the scope is rotated and the reticle not level.
 
Now you have to be able to duplicate the uncanted position of the rifle in the field.  The most important thing is to shoot when the reticle is level.  It really would not matter if your rifle was extremely canted as long as your reticle was level when you pull the trigger.
 
More information here
 
 
I have the microlevel on that website
 
and it is excellent but you can not use it will all scopes and can not put it on a hard kicker because of the reduced eye relief.  For most of my rifles I prefer the ScopLevel
 
 
You can see if without removing your cheek from the stock and it folds down when not in use
 
Now all this don't mean a hill of beans unless you are shooting past 400 yards but if you can get control of this then simple reticle leveling is a piece of cake.


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Take a sighting of a building across the way.............
 
 
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The best way (and indeed what you should do anyways, to verify alignment) is to shoot a group, then crank the scope way up or down by about 10 minutes or so, and shoot another group, making sure the reticle is level for both groups.  If the groups are directly above each other, then the scope is level.  If the are canted, turn the scope and repeat until they are level.

Note that this ensures that the vertical adjustment of the scope is level, which is ultimately what you want since that of course is how you dial in elevation for different distances.  This should be aligned with the vertical reticle, but may not always be so.
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Until my son dropped it, I used a shot culminator.  I put my rifle in my rest, put the spud in the end of the tube, and saw if the crosshairs are inline with the grid lines on the culminator.
 
When the lines are matched exact, the scope is level.  This proved very helpful when using Weaver top mount rings.
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