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What is the best way that you have found to make sure that the reticles on your rifle scope are perfectly perpendicular and horizontal?
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buy a reticle leveler
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I use this:

 

Wheeler Engineering Scope Leveling Tool

http://www.(competitor)usa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct? saleit emid=529349

...another link: http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/113088.html 

 

Works great on a bolt action rifle.  A good gun vice is also important so that you can keep the rifle steady while tightening down the screws.



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reticles are easy, its getting the rifle level that is the hard part.
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If you have a gun vise, or someone who can hold it perfectly level for you, Its actually kinda easy.

 

Just put the scope on, and then line the reticle up with a plumb bob or something that will be perfectly vertical, such as a a wall or window of your house.  Never had no problems doing it like this.  The only thing I wouldnt suggest doing this way is something that is super critical like a BDC or MilDot, that, you have to have a good gun vise.

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The most important part is that the horizontals are level with the horizon, most scopes have some reticle cant, so the tube may not be square with the rest of the set up. If cosine is as important as having a perpendicular rec. with gun action, then an electronic or bubble is needed on each shot. MOst people shoot with a slight amount of cast off in the stock, having a square set up can actually cause problems in the cheekweld.
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in all my scopes the cross hairs are a tad bit leaning to the left.

I guess my head wasen't screwed on straight but it works for me.

 

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NAME BRAND SCOPE -- $300+

NAME BRAND SCOPE RINGS -- $40+

NAME BRAND SCOPE BASE(S) -- $25+

FRUSTRATION & TIME WASTED BECAUSE YOU CAN GET YOUR SCOPE ZEROED BECAUSE IT'S NOT MOUNTED CORRECTLY -- PRICELESS!!!

 

You can do all sorts of different procedures, tricks, etc. to get your rifle & reticles level OR you can spend LESS THAN $20 on the Wheeler product I mentioned and GET IT DONE RIGHT.  Heck, just buy the darn tool, mount your scope in less than 10 minutes (that's about how long it will take you), repackage the tool and sell it on Ebay!  That's a tiny fraction of what you're spending for your scope (in most instances)to have the benefits of the scope being mounted RIGHT!

 

I'm not saying that this tool is the only way to get one mounted correctly but, for the money, it works great, is easy to use and will save you time and give peace of mind that the job was done right.

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But do you guys realize that even if the scope is mounted PERFECTLY LEVEL, as already stated, almost everyone holds the gun canted to one side or the other SEVERAL DEGREES.  This does the same thing, as not mounting it level.  Think about it.  If you hold the gun canted a little bit, the vertical crosshair ( Assuming the scope was mounted exactly correct ) is STILL NOT GOING to lie under the bullets path.  No matter what, a bullet will drop STRAIGHT DOWN from gravity, whether the gun is held sideways or not.  So if the gun is canted, it will affect your point of aim.

 

Inless you are a benchrest shooter, at varios distances, or you are shooting at prairie dogs 600+ yards out, there is NO NEED for that tool.

 

Get the gun mounted level in a gun vise, line the crosshairs up on a pefectly verticle structure, like a window frame or door, and tighten the screws down evenly.  Use locktite on them, the temporary stuff.  And call it a day.  Double check it once tight btw.  Ive shot crows multiple times, out in big feilds with some 300-400 yard shots, and never had that be a problem.  Your money would be better invested in a range finder or something.

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Originally posted by CarnageZ28 CarnageZ28 wrote:

But do you guys realize that even if the scope is mounted PERFECTLY LEVEL, as already stated, almost everyone holds the gun canted to one side or the other SEVERAL DEGREES.  This does the same thing, as not mounting it level.  Think about it.  If you hold the gun canted a little bit, the vertical crosshair ( Assuming the scope was mounted exactly correct ) is STILL NOT GOING to lie under the bullets path.  No matter what, a bullet will drop STRAIGHT DOWN from gravity, whether the gun is held sideways or not.  So if the gun is canted, it will affect your point of aim.

 

Inless you are a benchrest shooter, at varios distances, or you are shooting at prairie dogs 600+ yards out, there is NO NEED for that tool.

 

Your money would be better invested in a range finder or something.

 

With all due respect, the Wheeler tool is priced at UNDER $20.00.  Where is he going to find a range finder worth a darn for under $20.00??? 

 

I agree that there are other ways to mount a scope.  I actually used the method you described up until about a year ago & while it worked it was neither fast or completely accurate (had a couple of rifles that ended up being "off" once I got to the range and I had to do it over again; guess the screw tightening messed it up just a little but enough to make adjustments impossible while sighting in).  With the tool, the job is done right in 10 minutes or less. 

 

Heck, look at how we spend $20.00 in order to shoot.  Most factory boxes of hunting ammo cost more than $20.00.  Why not spend less money than what you burn down the barrel on a tool that will correctly allign your scope????

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There aren't many good reference points on a rifle for leveling, except maybe the flats on M70 action. When mounting a friend's scope recently we took the bolt out, placed the barrel and stock on some open back chairs that we could look thru, let the rifle level itself, and then rotated the scope until it was level.    
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On some guns, you can line up off of the two screws, or retainers on the recoil pad.  Hold a 2 foot level on these lines, level it up, and have someone hold it while you peek through the scope and level the way I mentioned it above.

 

Hah you know though, for $20, I might get one of them.  Im sick of playing level-the-scope ... I thought it said 200 ... Hence the reason I said get a range finder lol ... My bad.

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Trying using a bipod on a level table. Then align your crosshairs with a level reference. It will get you very close.

 

Consistency is what you are looking for though.  As stated before, it doesn't matter how you angle the rifle, the bullet will always drop straight down.  The angle at which you sight the rifle in has to be repeated each time.  I shoot a lot off of a bench, so after getting the scope where it seems straight to me, I always level my targets.  Align your crosshairs with the target lines and you're guaranteed to always shoot the same angle and the bullet path will follow the crosshair lines if nothing else is effecting it.  Like CarnageZ28 states, you can have it perfectly level on a bench but if you don't install a scope mounted level or have  a scope that has a level in it then there is no way to insure it will be level on every shot.  So.... I think the best way for hunting purposes to mount the scope, is to have a level reference point.  Shoulder your rifle like you are going to shoot something and level the crosshair with your reference.  The crosshairs will more than likely look canted off a bench or to other shooters and is very irritating to me when I do it, but it is what will work.   Actually, the bipod method works very well for getting the rifle and scope level.

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The way to make the scope level --with every shot-- regardless of the cant on the target is to use a horizon level -- either one attached to the scope tube ( bubble level) or an electronic one. Plumb lines work well if you just want a quick and dirty method.
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I use a rifle vise and two levels then level the scope on it before I even think of boresighting; but then I do want to shoot pdogs at 600 or more yards. I am suprised that anyone would not go to the trouble to mount a scope properly to avoid screwing up a hunt.  It is much easier to fix problems before they begin than to try and do it in the field and you would feel silly if you spend a couple of grand on a hunt and miss the trophy because you diden`t take 30 min and 20 bucks to do it right. Not to mention getting a clean kill.

 

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Simplest method.  Forget about cant and whether it is important in hunting, it is not, unless you are doing long distance hunting, without a rest, not a good idea.  I use a $2.50 bubble rest from Lowes that is maybe 3 inches long and at most one-half inch in each other direction.  Place the rifle in a rest or vise.  Remove the bolt.  With a rubber band, attach the bubble rest to a flat surface on the rifle, not the scope.  Two reasons.  You want to level the rifle, not the scope.  Second, I have seen too many scopes where the cross hairs are not perpendicular to the turrets.  Wrap the rubber band around the stock.  Almost always you can find a flat spot.  The level I bought actually has a hook on each end that facilitates attaching the rubber band.  With my Wbys., I must remove the bolt to find a flat surface, with some other brands, I do not.  If the scope is mounted low enough, getting the level in a flat spot is sometimes hard, but I have never failed to do it.  Now, level your rifle in the rest or vise.  Next, I just bought some bright plumb string, kind of light purple, pick your color and use what ever weight you want (mine is a small maglite) and hang it freely from something (I use a tripod).  Adjust your scope to the plumb line and tighten.  If your door jam is level, use it.  Simple, cost?, about 5 bucks and if you want to use string around the house, $2.50.  Works ever time.  Maybe I should sell it in a kit and charge 25 dollars?  Some people zero the reticle of the scope before mounting, I have never found this to be necessary.
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Hey Folks,

 

What you really want in leveling a scope is to align the the crosshairs through the center of the bore while making sure the crosshairs are horizontal and vertical. I use the Segway Reticle Leveler... it doesn't care if the rifle is sitting level or not when leveling the scope. It just helps you align the crosshairs to the center of the bore and assures they are true. Best and easiest tool of it's kind i've ever seen.

 

And, sure you will most likely cant the rifle a tad when shooting in hunting situations, but at least you can rest assured that it won't be compounded with scope mounting problems! Not to mention the headaches and cost in bullets trying to sight in with that new BDC reticled scope! Here is how it works...

 

 

Now picture this tool with the metal bar sitting on the scope mount base with the sides pushed in and hugging the scope. A rubber band is used to hold it steady as pictured below...

 

 

I found that the camera would not focus on the crosshairs and the reticle leveler lines at the same time, but hopefully this blurry compromise will give you a rough idea of how it works.

 

I won't advertise where I buy most of my shooting supplies,  just do a search on 'Segway Reticle Leveler' for purchasing information. There is a version of the leveler with a small bubble level on the left hand side, but this is not needed for the unit to do it's magic.

 

Hope this helps out anyone confused with how leveling a reticle should be done. The 'level level level' tool will work fine too... I just find this one so much easier and better to work with.

 

Randy 

 



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I have never used the wheler tool, I am absolutley not against it.

But for my own work i can't see the use of it.

When the scope is mounted in the rings, i simply with my eye follow the vertical line downwards down into the gun.

If you have your head somewhat over the line of sight,then you cant see through the sight but you can still see the reticle, then it's very easy to see if it's going to be leveled on the gun.

 

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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

I have never used the wheler tool, I am absolutley not against it.

But for my own work i can't see the use of it.

When the scope is mounted in the rings, i simply with my eye follow the vertical line downwards down into the gun.

If you have your head somewhat over the line of sight,then you cant see through the sight but you can still see the reticle, then it's very easy to see if it's going to be leveled on the gun.

 

Regards Technika

 

The SAKO I am using does not have sights.

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It's not ironsights.

I mean that  you rise your head somewhat over the line of the scope.

Regards Technika

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