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Hey...I am new to reloading and need a little help with the best loads...any help would be appreciated. I am useing federal brass,CCIbr2 primers,Hornady 168gr. HPBT and varget. Can anyone tellme what loads I should try, 43.5 seems about average. I am useing a REM 700 w/ 20" bull barrel & 1:12 twist....thanks.
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Also...I am shooting 500-800 yards max.
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Try some.  I worked up to 44.5 gr for my rifle.  Hodgdon lists up to 46.
Varget, according to reports, often works best at close to max loads.
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What kind of velocities are you getting????
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44.5grs at .020 off the lands 2775fps average with a 26 inch VS.
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If you can get a copy of handloader mag #257 it had a great article for the most accurate .308 load with Varget.  I don't have time this morning to scan the data or I would post it for you. PM me if you want it.
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Thanks guys.....any kind of help is appreciated
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I don't shoot 168s, so I have not data for those.  With my 175, I use 42 grains Varget, with Fed brass though.  When I got my new barrel with my tighter chamber I had to drop my powder 1.6 grains if I go to 42.3 I occasionally get a sticky bolt.  My velocities are around 2670 with that load.

Every rifle is going to be different.  Just start at the low end of your manual and slowly work up.  Check out this site, this is how I find loads for my rifles.  It works very well and once you find the best powder charge, then you can start messing with other things like neck tension, seating depth and stuff like that to optimize your round.  http://optimalchargeweight.embarqspace.com/#
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For bolt guns I have loaded 44 gr Varget and 168 gr  but I also load some lighter Varget loads for gas guns at 42.7 gr varget.  If you are going to longer distances you need to move up to either the 175 smk or the 190 smk.  I have some 175 SMK loaded at 43.2 gr Varget at about 2500fps. 
 
I am getting ready to start working with the 190s in a bolt gun and the Horniday book shows 40.9 gr Varget but Hogdon Powders shows loads with the 190 SMK from 41 gr varget up to 44.0 gr (thats probably too hot).  Sierra shows 41.4 grains Varget max for the 190. and Mike has been loading 42.5 gr  Varget with the 190.  I dont think I would use more than  42.5 gr varget with the 190 but I am inclined to use IMR 4350 at (max) 47.8gr load from Sierra manual pushing the 190 SMK at 2600 fps (carefully measured).


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Thanks urimag....what do you think the optimal range of my set up would be??? 500-700y??? my optics are ss 10x42m. And do you think I should use 175's
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168s SMKs were designed for 600 yards.  The 175 SMKwere made because people wanted to shoot farther, so they built the 175.

However the 168 Amax is a different bullet and will stay stable at 1000 yards unlike the 168 SMK.  At least that is what I have been told, I have never shot either of those two bullets that far.  I also have been told that the 168 amax bullets is not near as accurate as the 175 SMK at 1000 yards. 

So if you plan on shooting past 600, I was just use 175 SMK, 185 Lapua's, or 190 SMKs.
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My load for 168gr. Match Kings is 45.5gr. Of Varget.
Your load will be close to that, maybe a tad less, as the other guys have mentioned.

Also, I would try 155gr. Lapaus or 168gr Match Kings with your barrels 1 in 12 twist.
They seem to favor your barrel.
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Thanks cheaptrick.... my understanding is that I have a 600 yard rifle w/168's and maybe 800 w/175's....does that seem right. Also what kind of velocity were you getting w/45.5
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Honestly unless your rifle does not like 175s I don't see the point in shooting anything lighter. That way you can shoot 1000 plus if you want. The 175 will do anything the 168 will do at short range and much more at longer ranges.  My 1-12" barrel shot 175s very well at all ranges. 

Plus if you just stick with 1 bullet that will do it all, then you only have to gather dope for that one load.  That is unless you are using your rifle for multiple tasks, hunting/target shooting etc.
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Tool, my 12 twist 26" barrel flat out don't cotton to 175gr. pills.
I have tried handloads, match ammo, and the girl aint haven't it.
I concede the fact that she "should" shoot better. But, I have not faired better than 1 MOA with any 175gr bullet.
I don't recall seeing or reading about a 12 twist Remmy that shot 175's better than 168gr bullets.
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168 Berger VLD's with 45.5 varget is great out to 500 yards with winchester or lapua brass.
I also shoot 165 gr acubonds with the same results.
 
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Thus the reason I said "unless your rifle does not like 175s"  Wink

Mine shot 1/2 MOA oe better with 175s.  Twice at 600 yards I shot under 3 inch 3 shot groups.  Maybe 168s could have been as good or maybe better, but that point I didn't really care.  I know a lot of people who shoot 175s out of there 1-12s and they shoot sub MOA consistently.  So again if you gun shoots then good why not?
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I'd START with 155gr. Scenars with that rifle.
Just add Varget and CCI primers.

I follow ya, Tool.
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the best load is the one that shoots best in your rifle. varget is a favorite powder because it is very forgiving and works over a wide range of bullet and charge wts. its interesting to me the differences in 168 and 175s only 7 grs.  Heres a 11.25 twist with 175, five shot group -- using varget.
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That a 5R, Dale?

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About everywhere I have read a 1:12 favors a 168gr. However you make sense....................I thank you guys for the help, any more imput is welcome
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Well I bought my barrel from Lilja, they told me the 1-12" would work great with 175s.  They recommend it up to 180s.  They told me if I plan on shooting larger than that to get a 10 or 11 twist.  I went with the 11 incase I wanted to shoot 185s or 190s. 

But regardless of that, just as Dale said the best load is the one your gun likes.
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