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What's the best value in a scope with:

1. Upper power of 20X or so

2. Hunter style knobs

3. 40mm Objective

4. Shorter and lighter is better

5. Prefer a plain plex reticle

 

This is going on a 223 WSSM, Browning A Bolt.  It will be carried around in my truck as a varmint gun, so I don't want a big heavy scope with big target knobs.  I do want to shoot some targets, too, so I want something around 20X.  Emphasis is on value here.  Thanks for your input.

 

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If you had not said shorter is better I would have steered you to the 4200 Elite.  You may also want to look at the Weaver.

 

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A lot depends on what constitutes value to you.  Going to 20x narrows your choices a lot.  There are many excellent scopes out there of 4-16x variety that are quite good and the difference between 16x and 20x is not that big.  That varmint is going to look about 25% bigger at 20x vs 16x.  For comparison 16x will give an image 33% bigger than 12x or ~69% bigger than 9x.  If you couple in all the usual problems of higher magnification scopes (heat waves, mirage, hand tremors, etc) your view at 16x may be actually better than at 20x.

 

That being said your best bang for the buck is probably Sightron S2 6-24x42 which can be had with a few different reticles (including mil-dot) for ~$370.

 

Leupold VXII 6-18x is about $50-60 more and an inch shorter (13.4" vs 14.6").  Sightron is better optically though.

 

Weaver Grand Slam 6-20x40 is 14.2" long costs ~$350 or so and is also better than VXII.

Another good choice is Burris Fullfield II 6.5-20x50 at a little over $400, but optically worse than the Sightron.

 

If you want something with better optics without spending $500++ look at 4-16x scopes.

 

The same brands will offer the best deals in that magnification range as well.

 

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Thanks Koshkin.  I wouldn't have looked at the Sightron.  I'll use the higher power for shooting groups.  The 3.5-10 I've got on it now does fine for varmints.  The rifle seems to shoot really well, so I wanted to work up some loads and see how small a hole I could make.  Just can't do that with 10X, but 16X probably would work.  Thanks again.
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If you are planning to shoot groups at 100yds, 20x is a bit of an overkill for most people.  I'd go with a 4-16x scope then.  Although, for the ultimate in small groups make sure you get a model with parallax adjustment and tinker with it a bit: set up the rifle in a rigid rest and check for parallax.  Adjust it until parallax is gone.  If you just set it for 100yds, there still may be parallax left as that parallax adjustment changes with temperature and humidity.

 

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The target knobs on a Nikon 6X20 are only 1/2 " higher than a set of hunter turrets on a Nikon. The Nikon is the best buy in the market for the price and the ability to take advantage of precision shooting. If you want the hunter turrets a 5X15 Nikon is the next best choice. It has 1/4 MOA clicks while the thin part of the duplex subtends 1/8". The Leo 6X20 III has the hunter turrets and 30 mm tube. I personally perfer the older VXIII which has the smaller 1" tube click stops but is only 1/4 min. angle subtension on the hair, 1/8" on the thin duplex and 1/4 MOA adj. while the Nikon has 1/8 hair and 1/8 MOA adj. and far better positive mechanical adjustment in the click stops. I disagree with the above assesment about 20 power. In working up groups using 20X at 100 yards cannot be touched by a 16 power scope and yes you can tell the difference between the 2 powers sightings (the 20 Nikon will resove 5mm holes touching or not touching). Once you have the best loads obtainable with the gun. drop the scope power back to the middle range about 12 to 16 power for all around shooting.  Nikon gives you two sets the bench rest , large and uncovered, or smaller with cover caps. After carring the Nikon on varmit guns for about 10 years banging about behind the seat of a pickup in a web carry I have found the turrets not to be the catch on everything problem I first thought they would be.
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Forgot to add that the Nikon 6X20 is smaller than most 3X9 in over all size only 11 inches and about a 12 oz. You need something to take advantage of the 22 WSM. If you are using the sporter barrel allow time for barrel to cool between shots as the thermos coming off the barrel are visible through a 20X

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Thanks for all your input.  Much help.
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Dale, which Nikon model is it that is 11" long?  The only Nikon in that range I could find is a Monarch UCC 6.5-20x44 that is 14.6" long and weighs ~20 ounces.  It is certainly a very nice scope but it is in the same size range as other scopes I mentioned. 5-15x Nikon? There is a 5.5-16.5x44. Great scope, but 13.4" long.

 

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Sorry I was pulling the figure from memory after looking at a bunch of statistics on Burris you are right on length and weight. As a side note most manufact. tolerances are allowed 10% in the reporting tolerances. Thus a Nikon 5.5 is more than likely a 5 by 15. The scope I think I was thinking about was the Burris 4X12 compact.
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I can't vouch for the Nikon being 5-15 instead of 5.5-16.5,  It is a significant enough difference to not slip by most QC standards.  I've dealt with optical manufacturing a fair bit and I'd be surprised if Nikon would endanger its reputation this way. 

10% reporting tolerance sounds like a ridulously high figure, but that of course depends on which metrics are reported. Anyhow, Nikons are good scopes and whatever manufacturing tolerances Nikon uses they come up with good products.

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Check out the Leo web site as far as I can find out they are the only one that actually publishes the real magnification of their scopes. 10% of 6 is only .6 which would make something like a 6 power anywhere from 5.4 to 6.6 not ridiculous at all. Zeiss microscopes run almost 25% (or in this case plus or minus 250 power about the thickness of several microorganisms) of stated tolerance and they run $5000 to $20000 and if you don't get the oil immersion just right can run as high as 50%. 10% ain't bad at all the human body is only running about 60% on tolerance. Rifle scopes for a couple of $100 bucks are a good deal. Nikon's large Cat camera lenses run as much as 15% while their 100mm macro run about 1%. Just because the advertising firm thinks that the product can be more indentifiable with a specific title don't make it a reliable piece of information. Do you mean metrics in the math sense- measurement or metric in the standards sense as in physics? Are you dealing with the metric norm, the T-norm metric or a Hilbert metric. See what I mean about names.
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