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The best target to use for Nosler partitions is the round circle made by the rubbish bin. Take careful aim and toss them inside and quickly shut the lid. Do not stand to far away because you may miss the bin!!!!
After taking a year to try developing a load for my 300 H&H, using 200 gr Nosslers, I have dumped them in disgust in the bin. Take a look at the target I shot yesterday. I used the exact, yes exact as in everything the same, as my previous  last load which showed a decent group. I fired 4 x 5 round groups. They all look equally sick.
I was supposedly doing my final 5 round check for my upcoming hunt. The bullets went all over the show. So I took another 5, and another 5, and another 5.......All with the same disgusting result....
I went home, loaded up some 200gr Sierra Gameking. Same rifle, same powder, same scope setting, same shooter... See the difference.
Noslers are absolute crap. I have tried everything. So yes, whatever you want to suggest, are thinking of suggesting and have not yet thought of suggesting, the answer is yes, I have tried it. Out of my rifle, Nossler part will never ever shoot straight and will never ever even come near me or my rifle again..
 
 
 
 
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8shots, thats a pretty strong statement to make about the Nosler partition bullets.  Obviously your rifle does not like the partitions, and I've heard simular statements from others that the partition can be finicky.  The main thing, is  that you have found a bullet your rifle likes and I truely agree with using 200gr. bullets in the .30 magnums.  I'm sure your well aware of this but,  I believe you're going to catch some grief from the nosler fans, let the battle begin.

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I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.
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I agree with you 100%, I think its great that you've voiced your opinion and have proof to back it up.  I do not have any experience with any of the partition bullets be it nosler or swift.  I usually chose heavy for caliber bullets from sierra, hornady and remington, just my logic be it wrong or right.
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.
 
 With all due respect, I feel that you are well qualified to offer your opinion regarding how accurate 200 grain Partitions are in your particular rifle.
 You are not yet qualified to state that "Nosler Partitions are absolute crap", as you did in your  opening post.
 
 You know better than that, 8-shots!
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if you have accuracy problems with other bullets of course sierra is the answer, im not sure how they will do on game compared to the partion, i am a pretty confident in sierra bullets for north american game, im not willing to say that about african game though if i were you i would certainly try the nosler accubonds in that rifle.
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I have an 8-foot-plus brown bear mounted in my den that would disagree with you about the accuracy and effectiveness of Nosler partitions (if he could).  
 
The 200 grain bullet just doesn't happen to work in your particular rifle.   (The 180 grain might be worth a try.)
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.
 
 With all due respect, I feel that you are well qualified to offer your opinion regarding how accurate 200 grain Partitions are in your particular rifle.
 You are not yet qualified to state that "Nosler Partitions are absolute crap", as you did in your  opening post.
 
 You know better than that, 8-shots!
I still cannot post the pics of 200gr SGK, but will keep trying.
 
Post a target shot with Nosler Partitions, and a target shot with any other brand of "normal" bullets, such as SGK, Hornady, etc. Same bullet weight, same everything, then depending on the result, I will re-track my statement.
As for the bear and many other animals, I have no doubt they perform very well in that department. That was my very reason for wanting to use them in the first place.
The funny thing is there was a guy with a bullet trap at the range. He was checking bullet expansion. I shot a Nossler into the box. We never found the bullet! So either I totally missed the trap (at 50 yds!! although the guy said he clearly saw the box take the hit), or the bullet whistled out of the open top. It did not go straight through, as there were no exit holes. The trap cosists of rubber shavings, wood shavings and then a foot of sand. All his 30-06 rounds were recovered.


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And this is how the same Noslers shot 6 weeks earlier. same batch, same everything. I had my batch loaded for hunting and was happy. Went on Sat with same batch, to do one final check. The rounds went all over the show. I shot the whole batch away. Not one 5 shot group performed. We do not have extreme weather conditions etc, so weather is not a factor. The bullets all came out the same box. I waited 1 min in between each shot etc.
So I am stumped with Noslers.


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i know this is going to sound silly but, is there anything loose on your rifle???
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HMMMMM!!!!!!! This is very interesting 8. I would think that there would be little if any problem, just goes to show that not every rifle likes what other rifles will shoot very well. Find the golden round for your rifle and work from there. 
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Pyro, the 5 shots with the Nosler (first target) was shot with the scatter effect. I came home, loaded the SGK and shot the next two targets. Same rifle, same scope setting, etc. So if anything was loose, the SGK was shot with the same loose things. I have since checked all mounts and screws, including rifle action screws, nothing is loose.
 
And if I am coming on a bit strong.....I have worked on these Noslers, 1/10 of gr of powder at a time, from 63 gr all the way up, OCL  in 1/1000 of an inch at a time etc So about $250 and many range visits later, the above target happens. Man, was I upset.....
 
(Ronk, this is the closest I am coming right now at withdrawing my earlier statement about Noslers)


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         8shots,
          Get in touch with Nosler! Their always interested in feed back from customers and may be able to add something that's being overlooked.
 
                                      http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=25
 
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.
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Man I'm I hate your gun didn't like them. It happens!!! That’s what all the fun is about trying to get stuff to work. I know you tried everything. After all the PM's you and I had. I know there is nothing you could have done to get that bullet to shoot right. I know for a fact we/you tried everything. I would just stay with what works.

 

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300S&W, I have given Nosler the facts as per your suggestion.
 
BigDaddy, I knew you would be dissapointed to, because you helped me a lot. I just do not understand it, but for my own sanity I am going to let the Noslers go.
I am hunting in a months time, and need to practise some shooting, not develop a load. The SGK has allways worked for me, and brought the trophies home. So I will stick with them. My hunting buddy also uses the 200 gr SGK in a 300H&H. He shot a 3 shot group that he could cover with a dime.
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

300S&W, I have given Nosler the facts as per your suggestion.
 
BigDaddy, I knew you would be dissapointed to, because you helped me a lot. I just do not understand it, but for my own sanity I am going to let the Noslers go.
I am hunting in a months time, and need to practise some shooting, not develop a load. The SGK has allways worked for me, and brought the trophies home. So I will stick with them. My hunting buddy also uses the 200 gr SGK in a 300H&H. He shot a 3 shot group that he could cover with a dime.
 

I have thought and thought about it and there is nothing that we haven't tried with them to get them to shoot. I'm probably like you and would just toss them and go with what works. I mean after a year and we still can get them to be consistent as they once was with the few groups we had I honestly think you rifle doesn’t like them. The good groups we did have wasn't anything to write home about. So go kill something we gave it the old colleges try.

 

 

 
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 I have no idea what is going on, 8-shots. Did you clean the bore between the bad Partition group and the good Gameking group? Unless you havebedding or scope erector- assembly issues, I would almost suspect copper fouling in the barrel, since you had previously shot good groups with the Partitions.
   As far as retracting your statements, I really have no dog in this fight, other than defending the reputation of a good American company with millions of satisfied customers.
  If you had loaded the same bullets in half a dozen different .30 caliber rifles and gotten similar results, you would certainly have a stronger case against Nosler.
 I really think your situation involves  other factors, such as a treacherous scope, bedding problems or simply a very finicky and temperamental barrel. 
 I'm not real sure the Gamekings won't be doing tjhe same thing six weeks from now...
 I sure hope the Nosler folks get back to you with some answers and I hope it all works out for you!

 

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Some rifles just don't shoot well with some bullets no matter what you try.  It doesn't necessarily mean there's anything technically wrong with the bullet; your rifle just doesn't like that particular bullet.  It's just the way it works out.  It's all about tuning the load to your barrel, and there's more than a little voodoo involved. 
 
I've been able to get o.k. accuracy with Partitions, but I've never been able to achieve what I would consider great groups with that bullet either.  Let your rifle tell you what it likes and shoot with what works.  If the Sierras work for you, use them.  Other big game bullets that also have a good reputation for accuracy include the Nosler Accubond, Swift Scirocco, and Barnes TSX/TTSX to name a few.


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I've only used Nosler Partitions in 1 load, 1 rifle, but they shot fantastic.
Rem 700 BDL in .270, 4-12 Leupold scope (don't remember the model, not my rifle).
5 shots @ 100 yds. making 1 raggedy hole that could be covered by a single .40 cal hole.
This rifle does a consistant 3/4" @ 100 with factory Rem core-locks, so it's a known shooter.
After the 2nd round, the owner thought he was missing the paper !
Some rifles love them, some hate them.
Too bad yours is a "hater".
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

300S&W, I have given Nosler the facts as per your suggestion.
 
BigDaddy, I knew you would be dissapointed to, because you helped me a lot. I just do not understand it, but for my own sanity I am going to let the Noslers go.
I am hunting in a months time, and need to practise some shooting, not develop a load. The SGK has allways worked for me, and brought the trophies home. So I will stick with them. My hunting buddy also uses the 200 gr SGK in a 300H&H. He shot a 3 shot group that he could cover with a dime.
  
 If you have any Noslers left, I would be curious to see how they shot in your buddy's rifle.
 If nothing else, it could rule out a flawed batch or lot# of the bullets...
 
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Ronk, he tried them a few years ago and also threw them out. Yesterday he went to the local gunshop to pick up a box of Sierra's for me. This after picking up two days earlier 200 SGK for himself. The dealer said, what you shot the 200 out allready? So my mate told him the sad story of the noslers and that the bullets are for me. The dealer laughed and said that my story is not unique. Lots of guys/guns struggle with those bullets.

So, no doubt they work for some, are unbelievable good bullets etc. But for me, sorry, no go. And my barrel was not cleaned between the different rounds. Same everything.
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