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Which scope is better?  IOR 9-36x56 Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope, Leupold 8.5-25x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope, or Nightforce 8-32 x 56mm NXS.

I want to buy one of these scopes for DPMS 308 RIFLE.

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Do you really need that much magnification?

I shoot out to 600 yards regularly and out to 1,000 occasionally and prefer 15X or thereabout.

Of the 3 you listed, Nightforce is best (in my opinion.)  IOR has great glass but has problems with their quality from time to time (I don't buy any more so I don't know if this is a time of problems or not.)  IOR's issues seem to be be mostly with the 35mm tube tactical scopes.

I am not a Leupold fan so I almost never recommend Leupold; however, if you can get military or LE discount, it is an option.  It is not as good as the Nightforce mechanically and the glass is the worst of the 3.



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I think that is more power than you really need. I like all three brands but I own the Leupold, but I would NOT buy another one in that power range I would buy the 6.5-20x50. I would consider an IOR but not in that power range I would buy the 3-18. I would consider a Nightforce but not in that power range I would buy the 5.5-22x56.  Why you might ask - because sooner or later you will want to use it in low light.  50mm divided by  8.5 gives you a 5.8 mm exit eye pupil.  The same 50mm divided by 6.5 gives you 7.6mm exit eye pupil. You can only use about 7 but 7mm will be brighter in low light than 5.8.
It is really hard to get a scope over about 6x pointed at a target under 100  yds quickly due to the narrow field of view.    How about one of these.
654305T Bushnell 4.5-30x50 Elite 6500 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                          Bushnell 4.5-30x50 Elite 6500 30mm Rifle Scope
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I was where you are now this winter, asking these guys all kinds of questions. I was going to get one from SWFA, but ended up getting a leup mk4 6.5x20x50 from my dad for x-mas. I love the scope (+ it was free) but I rarely ever use the 20x setting, just to much. I shoot on my farm out to 1000 yds and almost always use the 12x. If my target is small I sometimes use 16x. 
 
When I started looking at scopes I wanted one that would see the moon, but these guys led me in the right direction. More isnt better unless your rifle is going to be held super steady by sand bags and devices that you would never take to the field. 20x is so damn hard to keep still even from a bipod, so if you go higher mag its going to get even worse.  And another thing about high magnifaction is the heat from your barrel and the ground, you see those nice pretty heat waves going across your field of view, and that can be a pain in ASS big time.
 
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Are you saying that you have NEVER seen "24"??...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Are you saying that you have NEVER seen "24"??...
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5217559943 Zeiss 6-24x56 Victory Diavari 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                          Zeiss 6-24x56 Victory Diavari 30mm Rifle Scope
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Urimaginaryfrnd, you have recomended a bushnell 6500 tactical instead a Nighforce NXS, do you really thiink it has the same optics quality?
I have been asking for them in terms of quality and  I haven t clear the grade of Bushnell 6500. There exist another option strongly recomended:
Sightron SIII 8-32X 56, somebody explain that is so good as NXS, but I think best is Nightforce .
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Thanks for the info.
Here another question.
I currently have a Super Sniper 10x on the DPMS 308 should I even be thinking of changing to a variable powered scope.
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Originally posted by bassmaster6731 bassmaster6731 wrote:

Thanks for the info.
Here another question.
I currently have a Super Sniper 10x on the DPMS 308 should I even be thinking of changing to a variable powered scope.


What are you going to use this DPMS for and at what ranges? If strictly targets then I would probably stay with the SS you have.
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Owning both NXS and Bushnell 4200 (6500 is same glass as 4200), I will say that I much prefer the NXS glass.  As has been and will be forevermore stated, glass preference is subjective.

The Bushnell costs less (considerably) and is a good scope, but is not the equal of Nightforce.

I haven't tried the S3 but am intrigued by the great press they get here - and from people who know good optics.

I might have to get one and run it next to a few other scopes for comparison.
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Sounds like the OP has limited his choices a lot. If it's just paper & steel he is shooting the Super Sniper is all he needs. But we don't know that or the top end of the budget. The 6500 is certainly a more flexible and higher quality unit than the SS but it is a SFP scope so ranging is a pain. If it's properly tricked out, he has a $2000 rifle so why not add the BEST scope and be happy for many years?

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3–12 x 50 PM II Military
The scope chosen by the United States Marine Corps as standard equipment Scout Sniper Day Scopes. It includes all the features of the 3–12 x 50 PM II LP, plus a sepcially designed "double-turn" counter-clockwise elevation knob with tactile clicks every 10cm or 1 Mil. In place of the color-coded window, it has a ring-style indicator which raises after the first full rotation of the knob. This can be both seen and felt by the operator, giving clear indication of which scale to read on the turret. There is a total of 220cm/22Mils/79.2" of elevation adjustment.
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Not everyone in the Marine Corps chose that scope and few operators were consulted.  Much of DoD procurement is based upon politics, not what is best.  Not putting down S&B, they make great optics... but so do others.  
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Originally posted by flashpoint flashpoint wrote:

Urimaginaryfrnd, you have recomended a bushnell 6500 tactical instead a Nighforce NXS, do you really thiink it has the same optics quality?
I have been asking for them in terms of quality and  I haven t clear the grade of Bushnell 6500. There exist another option strongly recomended:
Sightron SIII 8-32X 56, somebody explain that is so good as NXS, but I think best is Nightforce .
OK Nightforce is a great scope - rather high priced but good quality highly reliable mechanically and  good glass.  That model is not what I would consider a good match for a .308 semi auto DPMS.
 
3.5-15  Thunbs Up       5.5-22 Thunbs Up


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A good friend just mounted a Trijicon 2.5-10 on an Armalite AR-10 and I gotta say, it is a nice setup.


I don't take any shots that require a 20X+ scope.

Also, I am no fan of reticle ranging, having done it professionally for a few years, I can say it is error-prone and is a very perishable skill.  If shooting tac matches that require it, go for it; however, get a good laser and take out the single largest source of error.


S&B makes good scope, it ain't bad.  My guess is that the Marine contract will go elsewhere over the next few years.  I think Premier is hoping the same thing.


I'm gonna try to get an S3 soon and run it side-by-side with some of the best, we'll see how it stacks up otpically (to my eyes, at least.)
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And a quick note, having not handled the S3 yet, I cannot say, but:


The thread was "best tactical scope" and Sightron does not call these scopes "tactical."  The Bushnell 6500 "tactical" looks to be a hunting version with exposed target knobs - and not a true-blue tactical.

Are you looking for "tactical" or "tacticool"?   Many hunting scopes will do what you require.


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Rancid what Nightforce would you put on a DPMS?  For me I think it would be the 3.5-15x50.  

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Rancid what Nightforce would you put on a DPMS?  For me I think it would be the 3.5-15x50.  I have one of the 24 in DPMS  .308's and it wears a 10x Super Sniper and it is a heavy bulky beast to begin with I know I sure wouldnt want to add a 8-32x56 on top of what it already is. I just dont see a need for more than the 3.5-15x50 on that gun.



I completely agree, I'd go for a 3-15,50 - and, in truth, I did.

For most applications, a .308 is not a 1,000+ yard round, so magnification higher than 15X is kinda not necessary to me.  If you plan to shoot only from the bench, only supported positions, the 5.5-20 would be a good choice; however, 5.5 is a bit too much magnification on the low end for my liking.

For the world of paper-punching from a supported position, 5.5-20 would be fine; if it will ever see real-world use, I'd go for the 3-15.

Then again, I shoot in the 90+ degree Texas sun, and many times from unsupported positions.

Even with all that, I shoot regularly at 600 yards and have never considered myself limited by my 15X or 17X scopes, having posted more than a few 2-3" 5-shot groups at the 600-yard line.

If someone really wants a 30X scope, I say, "Go for it", but chances are it will seldom go above 18X or so unless conditions are absolutely ideal.
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Super Sniper is all anybody needs...ever.
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Originally posted by army_eod army_eod wrote:

Super Sniper is all anybody needs...ever.



Or something.
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Thanks for the info. I may just stick with my Super Sniper 10x on the DPMS 308 and buy a Trigicon ACOG for my Bushmaster AR15.
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Originally posted by army_eod army_eod wrote:

Super Sniper is all anybody needs...ever.
  Ying Yang nice -- but...
I've had the 20x SS  and currently have both versions of the 10x. If they made a 6x I might tend to agree however the variable has been an illusion that has not materialized and 10x is quite frankly too much scope to get on target under 100 yds rapidly.  With the recent disappearance of the 6x42 IOR and a reduction in price of the 20x SS which suggests this will be the last of them I'd say there is room for something with a 7mm exit eye pupil be it fixed or variable. And that is without even addressing the usefulness of an illuminated optic.  Sorry but there are plenty of times when  10x is way too much.  How about a new project the ULTRA Sniper  from the makers of SUPER Sniper - same scope but with Schott glass in 6x and 10x. Cool
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Originally posted by army_eod army_eod wrote:

Super Sniper is all anybody needs...ever.
 
 How about a new project the ULTRA Sniper  from the makers of SUPER Sniper - same scope but with Schott glass in 6x and 10x. Cool


I'll take one each of the 6X and the 10X, and I'll pre-pay.
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