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I want to start getting into long range target shooting. 

The rifle I am using now is a Ruger M77 MkII chambered in a 7mm Remington magnum.  I know, not the most accurate rifle, but mine isn't bad.  I can get 1moa with it at 100 yards using an eo-tech holographic sights and a 3X magnifier.  Why am I target shooting with that set-up...well, thats my deer hunting set-up.  The holographics make for some great bush optics.  Long story short I want to put something better on it so I can shoot long range target during the off season. 

I am looking for something decent because if I enjoy long range target shooting, my plan is to buy a Sako TRG 42 chambered in a .338 Lapua Magnum so I can play out to 1000 yards. 

I have done some research and I think I am looking at a 3.5-14X or a 4-16X scope.  Something in a 40-42mm, with an illuminated mil-dot reticle and elevation turrets that can be set to zero after adjustment.

Finally my questions: 
1.) Would you recommend anything different from the above?  If so, what and why?
2.) What would be a good budget scope with the above criteria that I could put on my 7mm rem mag?
3.) What is a good premium scope in the event I decide I want to purchase the Sako TRG 42?
4.) Can anyone recommend better value for the money in a sniper rifle other than the TRG 42?

I know a lot of questions, but I would appreciate the opinion of others.
Thanks.

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Welcome to the forums
 
whats ur price range.
 
 
if that doesnt tickle ur pickle  Id look at a big nightforce
 
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The SS10x is a great scope.  mildot. great knobs .25 moa adjustments and  alot of them i think over a 100  or 120 top to bottom.  knobs can be reset to zero.
SS10xHD is just so much better. everything the SS10 has but so much sweeter. alot better  glass, 1/10th  mil adjustments.
oh yea these scopes are built like tanks. 50 cal rated.
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If you are only going to shoot to 1000 yards, I would not get the .338 Lapua.  A 300 Win mag will do that easily and will be much cheaper to shoot.  .338 Lapua is insanely expensive to shoot.  We are talking like over $100 per 20 rounds.  If you reload it will be cheaper, but still very expensive.  Realistically if it is just for target shooting, a .308 will do 1000 yards okay. 

As far as scopes go.  Vortex will soon be coming out with the Viper PST in 4-16x50mm.  That would be a good scope for your wants.  I believe the finally started shipping a few of the yesterday. 
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If you want just a 1000 yard rifle and not a "sniper" rifle then Id look into the new savage F class rifles.  Team savage has been winning competition with them. its  a factory rifle 1000-1500 bucks and shots better than alot of custom rifles.

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Originally posted by sgsxr sgsxr wrote:

I want to start getting into long range target shooting. 

The rifle I am using now is a Ruger M77 MkII chambered in a 7mm Remington magnum.  I know, not the most accurate rifle, but mine isn't bad.  I can get 1moa with it at 100 yards using an eo-tech holographic sights and a 3X magnifier.  Why am I target shooting with that set-up...well, thats my deer hunting set-up.  The holographics make for some great bush optics.  Long story short I want to put something better on it so I can shoot long range target during the off season. 

I am looking for something decent because if I enjoy long range target shooting, my plan is to buy a Sako TRG 42 chambered in a .338 Lapua Magnum so I can play out to 1000 yards. 

I have done some research and I think I am looking at a 3.5-14X or a 4-16X scope.  Something in a 40-42mm, with an illuminated mil-dot reticle and elevation turrets that can be set to zero after adjustment.

Finally my questions: 
1.) Would you recommend anything different from the above?  If so, what and why?
2.) What would be a good budget scope with the above criteria that I could put on my 7mm rem mag?
3.) What is a good premium scope in the event I decide I want to purchase the Sako TRG 42?
4.) Can anyone recommend better value for the money in a sniper rifle other than the TRG 42?

I know a lot of questions, but I would appreciate the opinion of others.
Thanks.





1.  I recommend you scrap the .338, it is expensive to shoot and not for the beginner.  It is a nice gun, but you will shoot it little.  it'll be a safe queen.
2.  What is the budget? At what range will it be used?
3.  Hensoldt, premier, S&B.
4.  Remington 700-series, many models and options, most cheaper than a TRG.


Do you have access to a 1,000 yard range?  How often will you be shooting at 1,000 yards?  Have you ever shot 1,000 yards before? Have you shot >500 yards?  Are you filthy-stinking rich (each round out your .338 will run about $5, range sessions are either expensive or brief)?  Do you own a less poweful rifle with which to practice?

Important question, all.  You want good recommendations, answer these, for starters.
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one piece of advise I can give you is to not call it a sniper rifle. 

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SVT is correct. There really is only the sniper (person) and the bolt action or semi auto rfile in his/her hands. 
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yes, and only under government sanction, other wise it would be called a bushwackers rifle.
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Have you looked at the CZ or Tikka, or Sako heavy barrel rifles?  If you are not shooting at people behind brick walls you do not want the .338.

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SG, first off i would scrap the 338, the ammo is out of sight and you wont get the precison and accuracy out of a .338 diameter bullet. Go with something that is in a 30 caliber, such as a 300 win mag or 300 RUM.  For optics, if you can afford the high end european made, i would go with schmidt and bender or Zeiss, the glass is fantastic. Swarovskis in my opinion have just as good of glass but the reticles are not as good in my opinion. For the S&B, i would go with the precision hunter 4-16x50 p3 mildot, or if you want illuminated, go with the Police marksman 2, which has the P3 illuminated. It is a 34mm tube which can be at times hard to mount.  Both are excellent for low light conditions as well. As for Zeiss, go with the Victory Diavari 4-16x50.  The glass is great and i also really like the Rapid Z reticle, which you can get in standard or illuminated. either way you would be very happy. Welcome to Optics Talk!!
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That is kinda what I am looking at as far as price range.  Something in the $300-$400 range if I go budget.  And I was hoping to be able to keep a high end scope around the $1000-$1400 range.

The sepcs of these scopes look great, but I was wondering if an adjustible would be better?  Kind of a dual purpose?
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I don't know...I have almost fallen in love with the .338 Lapua. ;)  On paper it seems like such a beautiful cartridge.  Yeah, I was surprised when my local gun shop said that the .338 was rare and to order a box of 20 it would cost $125.  But, I am a reloader....so I figure I can make cartridges for about $2-$3 per shot.  So, that cost I can swallow.

1000 yards seems like a long way out.  I have a hunt camp and there is one section shooting from a ridge, I have about 1000 yards.  I am just estimating as I don't have a range finder yet.  It could be 800 yards, it could be 1300 yards.

I guess my thought on the .338 lapua is I have the option to go farther should I want to later.

I will check out the Vortex PST in a 4-16X50.  Thanks, I appreciate everyones input.
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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

Welcome to the forums
 
whats ur price range.
 
 
if that doesnt tickle ur pickle  Id look at a big nightforce
 


That is kinda what I am looking at as far as price range.  Something in the $300-$400 range if I go budget.  And I was hoping to be able to keep a high end scope around the $1000-$1400 range.

The specs of these scopes look great, but I was wondering if an adjustible would be better?  Kind of a dual purpose?
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

If you are only going to shoot to 1000 yards, I would not get the .338 Lapua.  A 300 Win mag will do that easily and will be much cheaper to shoot.  .338 Lapua is insanely expensive to shoot.  We are talking like over $100 per 20 rounds.  If you reload it will be cheaper, but still very expensive.  Realistically if it is just for target shooting, a .308 will do 1000 yards okay. 

As far as scopes go.  Vortex will soon be coming out with the Viper PST in 4-16x50mm.  That would be a good scope for your wants.  I believe the finally started shipping a few of the yesterday. 


I don't know...I have almost fallen in love with the .338 Lapua. ;)  On paper it seems like such a beautiful cartridge.  Yeah, I was surprised when my local gun shop said that the .338 was rare and to order a box of 20 it would cost $125.  But, I am a reloader....so I figure I can make cartridges for about $2-$3 per shot.  So, that cost I can swallow.

1000 yards seems like a long way out.  I have a hunt camp and there is one section shooting from a ridge, I have about 1000 yards.  I am just estimating as I don't have a range finder yet.  It could be 800 yards, it could be 1300 yards.

I guess my thought on the .338 lapua is I have the option to go farther should I want to later.

I will check out the Vortex PST in a 4-16X50.  Thanks, I appreciate everyones input.
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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

If you want just a 1000 yard rifle and not a "sniper" rifle then Id look into the new savage F class rifles.  Team savage has been winning competition with them. its  a factory rifle 1000-1500 bucks and shots better than alot of custom rifles.



 I was toying with the option of just a 1000+ rifle instead of getting an actual "sniper" class rifle.  The Sako TRG 42 is used by many countries as their flagship rifle of choice for their sniper teams.  But, the price tag that comes with it....I need to save for.  Something different might get me out shooting now rather than next year.

Thanks for the advice.  I'll research the Savage F class.
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

SVT is correct. There really is only the sniper (person) and the bolt action or semi auto rfile in his/her hands. 


Thanks for the advice guys.  I am still a newb to this.  I will alter my vocabulary. ;)
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[/QUOTE]
1.  I recommend you scrap the .338, it is expensive to shoot and not for the beginner.  It is a nice gun, but you will shoot it little.  it'll be a safe queen.
2.  What is the budget? At what range will it be used?
3.  Hensoldt, premier, S&B.
4.  Remington 700-series, many models and options, most cheaper than a TRG.

Do you have access to a 1,000 yard range?  How often will you be shooting at 1,000 yards?  Have you ever shot 1,000 yards before? Have you shot >500 yards?  Are you filthy-stinking rich (each round out your .338 will run about $5, range sessions are either expensive or brief)?  Do you own a less poweful rifle with which to practice?

Important question, all.  You want good recommendations, answer these, for starters.
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1.) I am ready for it ;)  and I have a reloader.  I think I can get the cartridges down to about $2-3 a peice.  $.60 for powder, $1.30 for bullet and .10 for a primer.

2.) Well, I am looking for two.   First: A budget scope in the $300-$400 range.  In case I decide to try long range shooting with my 7mm rem mag.   Second: A budget of about $1000-$1400 for something decent.

4.) I was looking at the Remington 700 series.  I guess I can put on a custom stock.  I want one with a pistol grip and an adjustible cheek piece.

Yes, I have access to 1000 yards at my hunt camp.  I just have to set it up with targets. ;)  How often will I be shooting...whenever I get out to play. ;)
yes, I have been practicing with my 7mm rem mag and I can hit 300 yards with my 3X holographics.  This leads me to beleive I can shoot farther - so I want to buy the gear to get out farther.


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Why not buy one good scope & a set of quick release rings so as to have the capability to go back & forth between your rifles?You will also need a good picatinney rail.You should try shooting out to 1K yrds before you purchase anything,just to get the feel of what the effects of wind can do to a bullet.Welcome to the OF & good luck.
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300 is not a 1000. id work ur way up just do 100 yard increments.
If your shooting a 1 MOA rifle at 100 yards and you miss by an inch that then at 1000 yards ur way off. Cause at 1000 1 moa rifle is shooting  10 inch group. and that 1 inch at 100 just added another 10 inches to ur group. Now u just a 20inch group. Im not sure of your trigger capablity but you also have to be able to do wind, humidty, elevation, etc. There is alot to shooting 1000 yards.
 
and 300 yards with a7mm mag. That round hasnt started to be really affected by distance. do you reallize that 7mm 154 gr with a BC of .525 at 1000 yards drops over 260 inches. and full value 10mph wind can push it 70inches.
 
Buy you a 22 and shoot 2-300 yards with it. Its not a subsitute. But it is great dope practice. 22's are unforgiving at that range. Not to mention you can shoot it for alot cheaper. Then if you feel good then get a good 308 rifle and start there.


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You have been given a lot of good advice.  The long range stuff is more about reading the wind than anything else. 
 
You talk about being in love with the .338... We have have all been there, and then we had the first  couple of dates... I want a Range Rover, but have a Jeep ;)
 
Food for thought: You could change scopes on the rifle you have and have a better rifle than most of the guns used in WWII or Korea.  At what the .338 costs you could quickly pay for a .223 or 308 "training" rifle.
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Why not buy one good scope & a set of quick release rings so as to have the capability to go back & forth between your rifles?You will also need a good picatinney rail.You should try shooting out to 1K yrds before you purchase anything,just to get the feel of what the effects of wind can do to a bullet.Welcome to the OF & good luck.


That is true.  I probably should just buy a decent scope and try shooting my 7mm rem mag out farther and farther before I decide on a new rifle.  Since the 7mm rem mag is actually a 1000yard rifle....I guess I should see if I can get it down to .5 moa before I even think about it. 
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