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been researching this to death, need some input. I have a remington 700pss in 300 ultramag, choate ultimate sniper stock, harris brs bipod, custom muzzlebrake and trigger, 20moa farrell base, all the goodies. weighs appr. 17lbs. this is my "toy", looking for the best glass in the 800-1200 dollar price range?? considerations have been, swarovski av 6-18x50, mk4 4.5-14x50, horus vision raptor4-16x50, nikon tactical 4-16x50, elite 6500 4.5-30x50, and maby a z6 demo 2-12x50. HELP!!!!!!!
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If adequate eye relief, tracking, repeatability, glass quality, and a world class customer service dept in the highly unlikely event that you'll ever need it mean anything to you, theres really only 1 choice......The choice of working professionals. Excellent

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" Well, we heard fwom Otimus Pwime and he thinks Weupold is the best...Anyone else wanna twy one...? "
 
                                    
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Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

If adequate eye relief, tracking, repeatability, glass quality, and a world class customer service dept in the highly unlikely event that you'll ever need it mean anything to you, theres really only 1 choice......The choice of working professionals... Excellent


who get a significant discount.

If you get an LE or military discount, Leupold is a good choice; however, if you do not get the discount, something else is almost always the better deal.

At what ranges will you be shooting?

in truth, for that rifle, I would recommend this:
http://www.swfa.com/pc-12303-292-ior-4-14x50-tactical-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx



They also make a 3-18; however, the configuration of the main tube leaves too little room on the back to mount a ring and still have adjustment range for a long-action rifle.

4-14X will do nicely for anything out to 800+ yards, and IOR's elevation range is generous.


If I were you, I'd skip Leupold unless you get the discount.  The IOR is a much better scope.
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

" Well, we heard fwom Otimus Pwime and he thinks Weupold is the best...Anyone else wanna twy one...? "
 
                                    
......... Hey Optwimus.................Even I,,,, bought a 1.5-5x20 Wee X thwee for my,,,, twee 75 Wooo-ger Awaskan!!.......
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I agree with RC, Go with the IOR.
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With the Leupold 4.5-14x you may have a problem mounting it on a long action.  You may not be able to get the scope pulled back far enough towards your eye to get proper eye relief.  THe bell of the scope hits the front of the base.  I seen that on two short action rifles this spring at a rifle class.  They both since then have had their stocks cut shorter.  So I am thinking with a long action this could really pose a problem. 

The IOR 4-14x is longer and will probably work better for you.


Leupold 4.5-14x


If you want to go with the Leupold I would get this one.  It will give you a little more length to play with.  Leupold 6.5-20x

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

IOR Thunbs%20Up, Leupold Thumbs%20Down
 
Leupold has a world class customer service dept and custom shop. 
IOR has....Val.  Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing Excellent
 
 
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My one problem with IOR out of the 6 I have had and I had a brand new scope in my hands in a week.  That is pretty good service if you ask me.

And I would rather be able to see my target well than be able to brag about Leupold have a cool custom shop.
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Although I own a VX3, I`m not a big Leupy fan either. Pay more; get less!...........But they do offer a huge selection in the 1" straight tubed, low powered variables, with great eye relief for the DGR`s; my Ruger Alaskan as an example................Though there are better scopes optically for less and even more money out there, my VX3 will still do the job well on any hunt.   
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

My one problem with IOR out of the 6 I have had and I had a brand new scope in my hands in a week.  That is pretty good service if you ask me.
 
Well now, I'm truly happy for your good fortune, BUT not everybody has been as fortunate as you concerning IOR's much maligned CS dept.
Some of the less fortunate IOR customers that have struggled with IOR's CS even frequent this forum.
But, I digress.
 
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nobody likes swarovski or nikon i guess, but thanks for the input, good point on the scope length on a long action!!!!! 6.5-20x50 mk4 possible.the ior 4-14 pics that i see either have the large knobs or small, which is which??
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For the price you pay and what little you get with that Leo, They should hand deliver the dang thing and give you a Kiss too.  Like CS is the only thing that matters, how about bang for your buck?  Sorry you just can't convince me.

I will agree with you about Dale though!!!  
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Though there are better scopes optically for less and even more money out there, my VX3 will still do the job well on any hunt.   
 
Ok...you bought the Leupold because it was more expensive and you LOVE over spending Bucky or it was the best scope for the job? Loco
 
Man this place makes me dizzy from all the spin.....I need a drink!   
 
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Optimus, nice to know you haven't changed, everything is right with the world.

Leupold has great customer service and decent product; IOR has great product and decent customer service: spend the money where you want.  Since I don't use Customer Service in my day-to-day shoting, I choose the product every time.


Swaro makes an exceptional scope but, like I said before, the AH isn't designed for the recoil you will be generating.  Call their Service Department and they will recommend you not put an AH on a 300RUM.

Nikon is OK, their tactical scope is not bad for the price, but not in the same league with the IOR - glass or features.

If you plan on long-range shooting, it's nice top have the large elevation knob so you don't get lost spinning up your dope.


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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Optimus, nice to know you haven't changed, everything is right with the world.
 
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ok no swarovski av, what about the z6(z6i) vs. the ior?????
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Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Though there are better scopes optically for less and even more money out there, my VX3 will still do the job well on any hunt.   
 
Ok...you bought the Leupold because it was more expensive and you LOVE over spending Bucky or it was the best scope for the job? Loco
 
Man this place makes me dizzy from all the spin.....I need a drink!   
 
 
He bought the scope because, dimensionally, it fit his rifle.  His first choices would not, so he got the straight tube.  No spin there.....just making compromises.
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Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Though there are better scopes optically for less and even more money out there, my VX3 will still do the job well on any hunt.   
 
Ok...you bought the Leupold because it was more expensive and you LOVE over spending Bucky or it was the best scope for the job? Loco
 
Man this place makes me dizzy from all the spin.....I need a drink!   
 
.....................There are several reasons why I bought the VX3 and why I was willing to pay more! In this case, I did not overspend,,,TOO MUCH!
 
Better selections and reticle choices in the 1" ers (ONLY), vs the 4200`s, the Nikons, the Burris, Zeiss, etc. etc. I did not want a 30 mm tube.
 
I wanted a light weight, fast to target, straight tubed scope (NO OBJ. BELLS), with good FOV`s,,,,as a true DGR rifle scope`s characteristics should really be! 
 
I prefer the faster target acquiring German #4 reticle, as the best reticle for a DGR scope!
 
The VX3 straight tube scope is well porportioned to the Ruger Alaskan`s OAL of 40.5"
 
The 1.5-5x20 magnification is absolutely ideal for the .375 Ruger cartridge.
 
Optically, the VX3`s glass is good enough for any hunting that I will ever do with that rifle.
 
Instead of paying the $449 price, SWFA made me a better deal.... I`m NOT telling!!
 
That damn gold ring looks good with an all black rifle such as my Alaskan!!! 
 
No spinnin with me!!...............You can have yer drink now!!!Boozer
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I don't believe Swaro make a target/tactical type scope.  All their scopes are geared more towards the hunter.  If you want to shoot multiple distances and do it right you need to get a target type scope with adjustable turrets, like the IOR, or the Leupold MK4, or a Nightforce or something along those lines.

I am not going to argue to much about Leupold scopes.  They do make a good scope, it is just MK4 variable scopes glass is not even in the same league with scopes with German glass.  Not even close.  If you went with a fixed MK4 they are much much better, but still not as good as an IOR. 
I shot my IOR 3-18x next to a couple Leupold 4.5-14x scopes at a rifle class this spring and the difference was shocking.  The Leupold's looked like someone had put a dark filter over the objectives.  Shooting targets at 600,700,800 yards became much more difficult as it was considerably harder to make out your target.  I just don't see the point in handicapping yourself that way when there are better options in the same price range.  If Leupold's were $800 instead of $1200 then hell ya that would be a good deal, but not at the current prices.
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