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All,
I would like some input on what the best scope and mounting system would be for an AR-15.  This rifle has a non-removeable carry handle, so it would have to be a carry handle mount.  I am not sure how well that would work though, it seems like that would put the scope in an awkwardly high mount...
I will be using this rifle for longer shots (hopefully), and plan on taking it on a prairie dog hunt this summer as an 'extra' gun.
As always, any and all input is appreciated!
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My friend, it grieves me to say this, but my advise would be to switch the carry handle upper for an A3 upper.
So much easier to mount a scope on versus the A2's. Tons more options.
 
Have never seen, nor used a carry handle mounted scope that I liked.
 
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at the least you will need a cheek riser, a Delta type, or screw on saddle, and the size of the scope will need to be minimal is a larger one hangs out over both ends of the handle. Since the mounting assemble only uses one screw the rigidity in the mount will never be there to give the degree of accuracy necessary in dog hunting.
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 Swap upper receivers for an A3.  Only practical solution.  Not hard or terribly expensive, either.
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I am glad I posted this question,  I was getting ready to do something (carry handle mount) that wasn't going to work very well...
 
I will check into swapping for an A3 upper, then  I will just have to convince my wife that this is "not really like buying another gun". 
 
That could be a good topic for another forum- "How to convince wives that you need more guns and scopes".  Or maybe "Why new guns/scopes are more practical than new furniture".  I tried the old 'buy one and tell her it's for her' trick...don't even go there for an anniversary present.
 
 
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 Tell her you bought it for YOUR anniversary present, to save her the trouble of having to shop for your present.  Pretty sweet of you, I'd say...       Naughty
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http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=279
 
You can send just the upper and ship any way you like since the lower reciever is the firearm. Have Rock River install your other parts on one of the upper recievers of you choice. or  here is another guy who is competent http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/
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Tell her you need to have your rifle  Bow REPAIRED - you are shipping it to the Repair Facility.
 
 
I can see plainly that I must have been married longer than most of you youngsters.
 
P.S.  do not forget to include the bolt assembly - the WHOLE UPPER WITH BOLT. Keep the Lower assembly at home you are shipping only  "METAL MACHINE PARTS"   say nothing of what the parts go to when you ship them as the ignorant have a way of creating laws that do not exist to regulate the behavior of others.  What that means is if you walk into UPS and say I want to ship a rifle upper to X they will tell you the only way you can ship a firearm is overnight which cost a small fortune if they allow you to do it at all. There is nothing in the law that says you can not send parts through the mail or UPS etc so long as they are not inherently hazardous ( NO Ammo).


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 I just noticed that the Rock River link posted by Urimaginaryfriend refers to their Flattops as A4s instead of A3s as Cheaptrick and I both noted in this thread. Are we both wrong about the current designation of what constitutes a Flattop receiver?
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From where else:
A3 - in commercial circles has very little to do with what the military refers to as the M16A3, which is nothing more than a fully automatic M16A2, usually seen in use by the SeeBees. Commercially, however, it refers to the same thing as A4.

A4 - is a forged flattop receiver with a 1913 rail section on top, rather than a carry handle. It too has the forward assist and case deflector, though there are a couple of groups looking at offering slickside A4 uppers. Any forward assist can, as usual, be installed, however, they are almost uniformly provided with small button forward assists unless changed by the end user.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=364533



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 I've had mine for 9 years now, but I could've sworn my Bushmaster flattop was referred to as an A3 when I bought it. I may be mistaken, though.
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Commercially the A3 is the same as the A4. Colt's Law Enforcement shows the A3 as flat top, so I believe you are correct.
Also, flat top is by far the best way to go for optics. I don't like chicken necking to look through anything, let alone a scope.


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I should have used the correct term "flat top" instead of A3.
My bad....Shoot%20Self
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I should have used the correct term "flat top" instead of A3.
My bad....Shoot%20Self
 
 No, you were right, and I was too!
 ( I think,.... sort of...)      Stare
 
( Doug's last post works for me!)


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I have one of the first AR-15's, a Colt sp1, before the A2 with the improved adjustable sights came out. Living in California, I'm stuck with my pre-ban rifle but that's OK, it makes a great coyote rifle!! If I had a choice, the A3 or M4 is mucho versatile and the way to go!! My Colt is about 25 years old and I hope some day to pick up an updated carbine model, darn Cali gun laws!! Roll%20Eyes

It's true, with the molded handle your limited to your choices.

Currently I have two scopes for mine and they work great.  Sharp%20Shooter

http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=139&back_row=4&categoryID=3

http://www.aimpoint.com/o.o.i.s?id=47&prev_id=47&product_id=19

The Aimpoint needs the following mount:

http://www.swfa.com/pc-6518-507-arms-16a-aimpoint-m16-aa2-comp-mount.aspx

or

http://www.swfa.com/pc-2513-510-aimpoint-works-568059-10174-10566.aspx

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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 Tell her you bought it for YOUR anniversary present, to save her the trouble of having to shop for your present.  Pretty sweet of you, I'd say...       Naughty


You dog!!  Big%20Grin
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Tell her you need to have your rifle  Bow REPAIRED - you are shipping it to the Repair Facility.
 
 
I can see plainly that I must have been married longer than most of you youngsters.
 


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I've been married a long time and I'm a liar. I sneak new guns in. When I have to buy another safe the gig is up, though.
What's so nice about an M4 is that it can be hidden under a long coat Wink
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PS - we used to shoot quarters at 75 yards with our AR's and older AIMPOINT MARK III's with 4x adapters, before the improvement of optics and purchasing the COMPM2. Though the flat top is the way to go, you can still do the job with a scope on a carry handle upper receiver.  Wink




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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I've been married a long time and I'm a liar. I sneak new guns in. When I have to buy another safe the gig is up, though.
What's so nice about an M4 is that it can be hidden under a long coat Wink


I love it, I think we all went to the same school!!!!  Whistling

Good Night!!

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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I've been married a long time and I'm a liar. I sneak new guns in. When I have to buy another safe the gig is up, though.
What's so nice about an M4 is that it can be hidden under a long coat Wink
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I've been married a long time and I'm a liar. I sneak new guns in. When I have to buy another safe the gig is up, though.
What's so nice about an M4 is that it can be hidden under a long coat Wink
 
Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing


That is why I bought the safes in advance.  I have enough space for a bit over twenty new long guns, so I am set for a little while.  Since my wife does not really look into the safe all that much, and since there is still a fair amount of space out front left, another new gun will not make any difference.

ILya
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 Tell her you bought it for YOUR anniversary present, to save her the trouble of having to shop for your present.  Pretty sweet of you, I'd say...       Naughty


You dog!!  Big%20Grin
 
 You know, that's EXACTLY what SHE said, too!    Brick%20Hit
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I had a good little set up going for awhile.
 
The Warden doesn't necessarily object to me having a healthy weapons battery, she just objects to me having to actually SPEND MONEY to get there....Bucky
(Like I've said here many times before, she makes Ebenezer Scrooge look like a philanthropist.)
 
When I was in the concrete "bidness" for myself, I would sub out different scopes of work to another good friend and gun crank named Darrin. Darrin was and still is a good friend and would come over and visit when he could.
He would do work for me and me for him and at any given time one owed the other several thousand dollar worth of completed work.
 
Sooooo, if Darrin owed me $7,000 for work I did, I would have him write me a check for $6000 and give me $1000 cash. She had no idea of how much money these companies owed us, so it worked pretty good.  
 
I would take the cash and make a gun purchase and bring the new weapon home and show the wife "what Darrin bought for me"....Yep,%20Thought%20So
(Cuz he likes me.)Wink
 
Well, this worked pretty good for a while. 
Then somewhere after the 3rd gun "Darrin bought me" my wife came up to me and asked me if I thought there may be a little problem with Darrin....Stare 
 
She says "Mark, I'm more than a little worried about Darrin buying you all these expensive gifts. He obviously likes you more than just a little bit. You sure that guy ain't just a little queer??"   Gal   
 
Darrin don't "buy me" any more stuff after that, but damned if my wife don't still look at him funny when he comes by....Evil%20Laugh%20out%20Load
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OMIGOSH THAT IS HILARIOUS!!
 Does Darrin know that she thinks that?
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