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HI evrybody new here first post. I have been looking at a bunch of reviews on here, I am going to put a scope on a 300 rum. I am lookin at vortex viper 6.5-20x44 30mm tube side focus sightron bigsky bushnell 4200  minox. Is there an advantage of the 30mm tube versus 1"
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The only advantages are a more durable tube(depending how it is constructed) and more overall adjustment range.



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FYI- I would go with the Viper :)
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I would get a 30mm for sure on a larger caliber like that.  So that rules out the Sightron Big SKy.  Also the 6-24x 4200 only has 50 MOA of elevation where the Viper has around 70ish. 

I think the Viper is the best choice.

I would get the 50mm over the 44mm though.  That extra size will give you a little more exit pupil which will give you a better image at the higher powers and won't be quite as picky with eye placement at those higher powers. 

I have the Viper 6.5-20x50mm, and above 16x it is very picky about eye placement so the 44 would even be worse. 
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Thanks for the replys I ll check that 50 out.What size mounts can u use with the 50 will med work or do u have to go to high.

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On my 223 WSSM  with heavy barrel I have a EGW mount and super low TPS rings and still have room.  Granted EGW bases are taller than most, but it at least gives you an idea.




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Since you are putting it on a 300rum I would go with the 50mm as it has a little more eye relief. Any rings that are .92 or higher from top of base to scope centerline are high enough.




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Originally posted by Scott_at_Vortex Scott_at_Vortex wrote:

Since you are putting it on a 300rum I would go with the 50mm as it has a little more eye relief. Any rings that are .92 or higher from top of base to scope centerline are high enough.




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Eww, I did not even think of that.  3.3 inches of eye relief is not very much especially on a 300 rum.  That might pose a big problem.  The 4200 only has 3.5 so not much improvement there.  It will somewhat depend upon your shooting position and technique but that is getting pretty short IMO. 
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We had one a 50bmg for a few years and it never kissed anyone, but a real light 300rum with out a break could be dangerous with any scope, does your have a break?



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no it s a sendero sf  its not real light it has about a 26" fluted  barrel
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Hey scott im also thinking about getting a diamondback for my slug gun marlin 512 slugmaster whats the  eye relief like on it.
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Would it be better to get the bdc or v plex with a custom turret.What range does the custom turrets go out to.
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Originally posted by mosdawg mosdawg wrote:

Hey scott im also thinking about getting a diamondback for my slug gun marlin 512 slugmaster whats the  eye relief like on it.
  There is plenty, but you can find the 2-7 Vipers right now for the same price as a diamondback, I would go with the Viper just for piece of mind if you are going to be running those hard hitting 200fps 300gr sabots it is a more durable scope. There is no hidden message there its just my opinion that if you can get a more durable scope(Viper) for the same price or even less, its probably not a bad idea.




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I like the vortex scopes they have a good waranty.  What is the right scope for your hunting needs depends on how you hunt if you stalk game and have to shoot quickly 6x at the low end may be more than you want but if you hunt frome a stand it would be just fine. One suggestion though a balistic reticle on a high max power scope is only true at the highest power of the scope. I might select the mil dot reticle because you can use that for known hold over by running a balistic chart with drop in mils plus you can use the mil dots for rangfinding of known size targets.
If you can tollerate a fixed power scope the new fixed power 6x42 Super Sniper is a really tough scope and you can dial in correction with the target tactical knobs. Depending on price range the Sale priced Vortex Viper 2-7 BDC is also a fine choice for a hunting gun cause the max power 7 still gives a fairly bright veiw in low light high power scopes look darker in low light than lower power scopes that have the same size objective. With that 2-7 on 7x your BDC will be true and useable in low light.
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Originally posted by Scott_at_Vortex Scott_at_Vortex wrote:

Originally posted by mosdawg mosdawg wrote:

Hey scott im also thinking about getting a diamondback for my slug gun marlin 512 slugmaster whats the  eye relief like on it.
  There is plenty, but you can find the 2-7 Vipers right now for the same price as a diamondback, I would go with the Viper just for piece of mind if you are going to be running those hard hitting 200fps 300gr sabots it is a more durable scope. There is no hidden message there its just my opinion that if you can get a more durable scope(Viper) for the same price or even less, its probably not a bad idea.

Scott

Hey Scott,
What are the main differences in the Diamondback assembly vs Viper that make it more durable?
I know they don't have the ED glass of the Vipers, and the turrets are more of a Nikon Buckmaster style than the target turrets of the Viper (which I love,BTW!),but I'm not sure of the other differences. Is it reticle attachment or how the lenses are assembled in the tube?
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Monster eye relief on a scope for a 300 rum Sendero will not be essential with good shooting form.  The weight of my 300 rum Sendero tames down the recoil to a manageable level, and without a brake.

I think the viper is a good match for that rifle.  I have a Mark 4 6.5-20X50 on mine, and like it a lot, but I am considering swapping out to a 4-16X50 Viper PST when they are available.
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im sure you guys know this but its impossible to tell the difference in light transmission between a 40mm lens and a 50mm lens. your eyes cant tell the difference, noones can. 

on paper, yeah a 50mm lens will give you more light transmission, eventhough a scope doesnt really even transmitt light, but the human eye cant tell the difference. are you shooting further than 400 yards? because 8x (even 6x) is great for 400 yards. and you can get a great scope thats 3-9 even 3-10 for less then the price of a scope that 6-20. 

again this is just my opinion.

if 400 is your price cap id say zeiss, minox, leupold all are great great choices. i also love the bushnell elite
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Who said anything about light transmission?
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what is a bigger lens gonna give you? more weight? less fov? higher mounting?

im just asking why a 50mm lens is a choice thats all. 
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It gives you more exit pupil, which is a larger band of light coming through the scope.  The image will appear brighter all else being equal. If offers less critical eye placement.  Meaning the band of light is larger so you can move you eye a little more without the image going black.  There is a reason they make larger objectives.  If they were not needed then all objectives would be the size of the tube.  And in this case the weight issue is less than 1/2 an ounce. 

Objective size has nothing to do with FOV.  
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if he's using this as a moutain rifle their are other scopes that offer the same eye relief of 4" that the 50mm viper has. 

while i love the vortex strikefire i have no problem taking a risk and giving the vortex scope a shot if this was for me.  but making a rifle one is going to trek around the moutains with, buying a scope that has 50mm lens which adds weight and is more cumbersome is not worth the extra eye relief when one can get other scopes that offer same eyerelief. 
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Now I gotta ask this question.  Who said anything about a mountain rifle?  A Sendero is a 8.5 to 9 lb rifle all by itself.  Doesn't make much of a mountain rifle.  In a traditional sense at least
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

It gives you more exit pupil, which is a larger band of light coming through the scope.  The image will appear brighter all else being equal. If offers less critical eye placement.  Meaning the band of light is larger so you can move you eye a little more without the image going black.  There is a reason they make larger objectives.  If they were not needed then all objectives would be the size of the tube.  And in this case the weight issue is less than 1/2 an ounce. 

Objective size has nothing to do with FOV.  

at the highest power in the most dim of conditions maybe. i mean look i hunt at night a lot. i have used 50mm scopes, 40mm scopes even 32mm scopes at night. never once did i have to worry about eye placement. if you have a proper cheek weld and good shooting habits no matter what position im in. but thats just me. i know every scope is different and requires different eye relief, but your gun should be set up for that when mounting the scope. 

personally i believe exit pupil is relative to ones own pupil dialation. how good is your eye sight? science is a lovely thing, specs and formulas are nice too, if there werent any variables.


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