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Last accessory for my AR is reflex red dot that will be mounted on a 45 degree offset behind the scope. Don't know much about them. What's my best option without breaking the bank.
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Burris Fastfire 3.  I have a few and like them.  I have seen a few Vortex, venom I think, but never run one.

What scope, what offset mount?
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BG, your going have to be a tad more "pacific" when you say "break the bank". 
That term varies from member to member. That may mean $100 to one member and $1500 to another. 

We even have some members that claim they have an "illness" to justify their shameless spending habits on gear to their significant others....and at times...their selves.  Wink  
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As posted in another post I have a 16" BCM with 410ss barrel. I went with a Lepould VXR Patrol 3-9x40 with a Bobro extended mount for the precision side of things. I'm going to mount a reflex type on some sort of a 45 degree mount for fast close quarter shooting. I like the Vortex 45 mount style or maybe something that can mount to the KMR rail? I guess not breaking the bank would be something in the mid range $200-$300 ish?
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Not reflex type sight....but it was OK. 
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Was picturing something like this........ Open to ideas though.....


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Right. 

Sorry...I'm an attention floozy. 
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I have a setup similar to that last one (vortex optics.)  I like the aimpoint but always fear it'll snag on something, I prefer my stuff a bit tighter to the gun.

I will pull mine out of the safe if a picture is warranted, but mine is a Burris Fastfire 3 on a pic base with a Trijicon 45 degree offset.  

In your budget, I'd say Vortex or Burris.  Trijicon RMR is a good option in the dual illum, I would avoid their LED variants for now, they seem to fail often and at really bad times. They are also a bit out of your stated price range.  

Another option is open sites on the offset.  Dots take time to turn on, and close quarters stuff usually happens fast. And close!

If it is a play gun, no problem; if a patrol gun or real world gun, fast and close don't lend themselves well to "let me hit a button to turn on my optic. Damn, the battery is dead, just a minute please. So how about this weather?"
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Awesome post, RC. 
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This is just a play gun that will get used for plinking and coyote hunting.
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+1 on the Fast Fire III that has functional upgrades over the original and FF II versions.  I run an FF II in a 45 degree offset mount on one of my ARs.  I have used it for about 4 years on various weapons including a 12 guage shotgun and .45/70 Marlin SBL with no issues and total reliability.
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Then by all means, red dot on 45 degree offset.

I'd say fastfire or venom, whichever you can get the better deal on.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:


The employment of this confuses me a bit.  It is a lefty gun with a righty-setup dot, yes?  You roll the rifle counterclock to use or you just come up off the scope and find the dot?

I have one mounted lefty and one mounted righty based on how I carry each gun, I haven't tried shooting lefty with a right-side optic. Do you use weak eye or strong?
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What is the difference between a mid priced unit like a Fast Fire 3 or Venom 3 and say a Lepould Delta Point Pro or one of the Trijicon models? Is it just quality/durability or are the more expensive ones built differently so they are easier/better to shoot with?

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Most people do a secondary sight as you mentioned, RC.  

I've found that all I have to do is close my left eye, adjust my head VERY slightly and look through the Aimpoint with my right eye. Works pretty well, though I know "tactically" closing one eye isn't ideal in a gun fight. 
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If you are gun fighting up close with a bolt gun, there are other issues to be concerned with!

On the differences, it comes down to details usually.  Whether there are clicks or no clicks on the adjustments, whether the there is a drain hole in the site (in case it gets rained on), little things.  I run fastfire and RMR and both function well.  I hate that I have to cycle the fastfire to the desired setting, when some remember their last setting, but I deal with it.

The key differences are more "life and death", as a thing to go on a gun that will be used for playing, get the one for the budget and you'll be happy.
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BGB, the primary difference between the lower and higher priced units is durability under rough service such as would apply in military and professionals environments vs. how sportsmen use them.  This applies to the electronics as well as physical construction of the units.  Stick with a known brand and the lower priced units should serve you well unless, of course, the nagging voice in your head tells you you need the very best.
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Last question. Any difference in function between a venom/fast fire type red dot and an aim point style?
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The higher priced units generally have settings for night vision devices, the EOTech reticles are unique among red dot sights and, regardless of price point some brands have automatic dot intensity based on ambient light but most are manual allowing the user to choose dot intensity.  One neat feature of the Delta Point and Aimpoint PRO (possibly other Aimpoint models as well as other brands) is the motion sensor that lights the dot when the weapon moves.  They can be left in the switched on position 24/7 without burning up batteries but the dot lights when the weapon is moved-ready to go without using having to turn them on manually.  If you like the looks of the Aimpoint T-1/2 and H-1 style sights less costly options are the Vortex SPARC 2 or the new digital model from Hi-Lux Leathwood.  Some have long battery lives such as the 50,000 hours claimed by Aimpoint while others use batteries faster so carrying spare batteris is always wise.
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I guess I'm asking if shooting is any different with the different styles. Like are some more finicky about head position, is the dot more stable, glass clearer or better color, etc....

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Nope, in pulling the trigger, they are mostly the same.  Some are brighter, some more visible due to coatings or window design, but the dot is the dot: when zeroed, put the dot where you want the hole, pull the trigger.
I've not had problems with them wandering too much.  Then again, a 5 MOA dot isn't exactly precision.  It could bounce around by a few MOA in there and I wouldn't notice under most usage conditions.
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Cool. I'll probably go with the Vortex or Burris then. Had great luck with scopes from both.
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Anyone have any experience with the Sig Romeo 1 & 3? They seem to have a lot of features to rival the lepould delta and are more reasonably priced.
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Sig optics are new so I have no hands on experience.  I have not heard who makes them for Sig but I'm sure they picked a manufacturer with a reputation for quality optical products.  Romeo 1 is positioned as a miniature red dot for pistols and Romeo 3 for ARs.  The Romeo 4 looks even more intersting as an AR carbine red dot sight.  I'd also check Sig's website to determine warranty as it is not disclosed in SWFA's listings.  All else considered, Sig's mid priced products are most likely at least up to the standards of more familiar optical brand names like Burris, Leupold, etc.  Keep in mind that if you decide to add a magnifier to allow more precise shooting at longer ranges, the magnifier magnifies the dot.  So a 2 MOA dot with a 3x magnifier subtends 6" on a 100 yard target.  My recommendation is to get the smallest dot available for a carbine/rifle.
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