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Looking for a scope that will be clear and bright with enough magnification to get out to 600-800 yards without an AO or sf.  Prefer a basic plex reticle.  Thoughts? 
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How much magnification would you like? 3-9 is plenty to hit larger game IMO. Especially if you are not wanting a parallax adjustment. More magnification worsens the effect.

Will you be turning dials to get your long range shots?
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Was hoping for at least 12x, but that set in stone. So far the only scope actually loked through is Rdfield's 4-12 and to e honest was pretty impressed.  Which other scopes should look at the under $800 range? 
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I have to agree with Roto. More zoom is going to make parallax worse. And to get out there reliably, you are going to need target turrets. IMHO, this scope is the best match.
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I would stay at or under 10x with a non-parallax scope.  I have used a Leupold VX-3 3.5-10 successfully out to those distances.  IT didn't have parallax adjustment on it.
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For that price and non AO I'd look hard at this scope -
Minox 3-15x42 ZA5 Riflescope Minox 3-15x42 ZA5 Riflescope
Stock # - 66020
  • Matte
  • Mino-Plex
  • 1"
$498.95 
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Comes with several other reticles as well
 
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Sightron 3-12x42 SII Big Sky Riflescope Plex Sightron 3-12x42 SII Big Sky Riflescope
Stock # - SIIB31242
  • Matte
  • Plex
  • 1"
  • Mail-In $75 Rebate
$542.95 
 
 
 
Sightron 4.5-14x50 SII Riflescope Plex Sightron 4.5-14x50 SII Riflescope
Stock # - SII4514X50
  • Matte
  • Plex
  • 1"
$385.95 
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I shoot to those ranges and further with my Swarovski 4-12X50 w/ BRH reticle. The parallax is set at 200m which minimizes parallax at longer ranges. With any scope, if your eye is perfectly centered in the exit pupil, there will be no parallax error.
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical<div>Other notable options - </div>
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Other notable options -
Sightron Plex Sightron 3-12x42 SII Big Sky Riflescope
Stock # - SIIB31242
  • Matte
  • Plex
  • 1
  • Mail-In $75 Rebate
$542.95 

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Hunting buddy has this exact scope.  We didn't shoot at ranges over 400yds, but it did just fine on paper/range. 


Hunting buddy has this exact scope.  We didn't shoot at ranges over 400yds, but it did just fine on paper/range. 
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

For that price and non AO I'd look hard at this scope -
Minox 3-15x42 ZA5 Riflescope Minox 3-15x42 ZA5 Riflescope
Stock # - 66020
  • Matte
  • Mino-Plex
  • 1"
$498.95 
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There is one on samplelist for $359 if youre looking at that scope
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There's the Leupold VX-2 4-12 and VX-3 4.5-14.
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In this case less is more.

Higher magnification without some means of parallax compensation and image focus is going to make things worse, not better.

The best I can think of is SS 3-9x42, although IOR 2.5-10x42 is not too shabby either.

Since you want a basic plex reticle, I am guessing you are looking for something with tactile adjustable knobs.  There are not a whole lot of these scopes equipped with a plex reticle (and for a good reason).

Perhaps your best bet is to simply get Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 and then get a Kenton BDC knob for it.

Another good option is Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 with CDS.

Lastly, why do you insist on not getting something with AO or side-focus?

ILya
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Excellent replies thanks to all who have posted. 
 
The reason that I prefer a non AO scope with a basic plex reticle is simplicity.  If you eliminate as many variables as possible you limit the number of things that can go wrong at any point in time.  It would seem that a scope with a set parallax, with decent, but not too much magnification would be ideal for hunting med to large game at extended ranges.  With proper load development and range time a shooter would know exactly what the rifle/round will do without another ancilllary adjustment. 
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I am considering the Vortex Crossfire II 3-12x44 for my next project ($160). Never owned Vortex before, but the objective outside diameter fits nicely into the ring I have on my Zastava.
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I haven't seen that particukar Vortex, but I have an 8-32 on my pd rifle and it is a very good scope for the money. 
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Originally posted by mattri mattri wrote:


 
The reason that I prefer a non AO scope with a basic plex reticle is simplicity.  If you eliminate as many variables as possible you limit the number of things that can go wrong at any point in time. 


Most of my friends who hunt with an AO type scopes just set them for the approximate distance that they feel they will shoot at. If it is off it is not enough to make enough of a difference that it will cause them to miss.
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I have a VX6 2-12x42 that is excellent.  The MOA dial made hits on target out to 900 yards on my 7mag.  As Bitterroot said, if you keep your eye centered there will be no parallax anyway.  My buddy hit the same targets I did with his 7STW and a VX3 4.5-14x40 w/no parallax adjustment.  Not a big deal IMO.  
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Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope Target Dot Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66825
$469.95 
 
Leupold 8x40 FX-II Riflescope Leupold 8x40 FX-II Riflescope
Stock # - LEU000840
$379.95 
Leupold 12x40 FX-3 Riflescope Long Range Duplex Leupold 12x40 FX-3 Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66835
$529.95
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I just wanted to mention one thing about parallax error and magnification.  I researched it a while back and found a formula to calculate it.  That formula doesn't take into account magnification, implying that magnification does not increase parallax error.  It only makes it more noticeable (magnification magnifies it too).  It would stand to reason, though, that it is easier to get your eye to the edge of the exit pupil, when the exit pupil is small, which would mean it would get you to the maximum parallax error easier.  It seems like depth of field would be the bigger problem with a high-mag scope, making the focus adjustment necessary for targets at different ranges.
 
Maybe ILya could chime in on this, and let me know if I am way off or not.
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