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Hey Guys,
I have two rifles I want to have muzzle brakes installed on...Im pretty picky so I would like someone who does the best work. Obviously I want the brake which reduces recoil the most as well...
Your experience would be appreciated....
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the which brake is best conversation is always a compromise between looks and function. the baffle style will reduce more recoil but some don't like the looks. the radial hole style is usually very appeasing to most but don't work "quite" as well. plus i don't like the holes on the bottom that cause nasty things to be blasted in your face.
  i have a Holland radial port baffle style brake which is about the best when it comes to reducing recoil. i'm very impressed with it. keep in mind the baffle style brakes can be hard on scopes.
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Is the Vias Brake or Mag-Na-Port Brake both Baffle Style ?
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No, they have holes drilles all the way around the barrel. i think the mag na port actually just drilles holes in your barrel, not an add on to the end.
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Mag-Na-Port started way back in the 70's or maybe even before that making "Ported" barrels they called it Magnaport and yes they laser the end of your barrel on both sides to stop muzzle jump. Now they also make Muzzle Brakes which are threaded on or off. Im just trying to figure out what Baffeled means verses not baffeled and whats best..I will look up the difference, Thanks!
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vais makes a nice one so i hear. i have a .300win mag with the boss after one shot in the field without hearing protection i never did that again.i ordered the boss cr adapter for it the next day. they are way to loud.
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My brother has a .300RUM that's magnaport'ed and I think it works very well from my experience shooting it and doesn't look bad either (4 small ports). The baffle style brakes should reduce more recoil though vs. the magnaport.

What rifle you looking at setting up Julio??
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Yeah, pretty loud eh. Im not so sure I would use it huntin. It would most be for target practice to see what these Rifles will really do.. I do not flinch while hunting but I sure flinch while target shooting.. Plus I got the neck/zipperhead thing going on and thats what really really hurts me bad...I think that Kimber 270WSM just might settle down with the right brake. Course it would be a drag to go to all that work, time and expense to find out it was still to much recoil for my neckBig Grin I would probably throw it in the river so I no longer had to deal with it....
 
Hi Mike, its the 270wsm mostly but if I could get em all shooting like BB guns I would be pretty happy and very accurate as well.......


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Hey Julio
 
I always thought Briley makes an attractive brake
 
 
 
I had one on a 338 win mag barrel and it was not as loud as the Boss system ones and reduced recoil down to where it felt like a 30-06.  No puff or air in your face either since the slots closest to you are pointed forward.
 
I have a ported barrel on a 338 RUM
 
 
and it does not reduce recoil much but it is not nearly as loud as a normal muzzle brake, does help to keep muzzle rise reduced though.
 
This brake on a 300 RUM
 
 
really reduces recoil a lot but it is very noisy and will blow chit off the reloading bench.  That rifle kicks like a 243 but it is a heavy gun also which will be part of the reason.
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I like the looks of those Bob, Vias advertises 40 or maybe 50 % less recoil on a 7mm mag. The 270wsm is pretty much comparible I would say then..But the Vias sticks out a ways...hmm I will check out these web site. Thank you very much!
 
Those are all brakes which are screwed on except the ported one (#3) eh?
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ask bob about some of his other recoil reducing techniques. the mercury tube in the stock and the lead tape in the fore end there are other answers problem is that those add weight which sorta defeats the purpose of having a light weight field carrying rifle.
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Yeah I understand Pyro, but if you could lighten it back up for hunting that would be cool. I can handle the ocassional heavier recoil, like one or two shots on an Elk. Its that repeated shooting at targets. Im going to order a shooting pad that is made of rubber and you wear it like a shoulder holster. I just have to find the one I looked at at Sportsmans Wholesale. The only thing with a pad you wear is you have to watch its not to thick ot it throws you all off when shooting your rifle....
 
Dang that ported barrel Bobs got sure looks nice, to bad its not as good as a brake!!!


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well if your only worried about the recoil on the bench use a lead sled.
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I'd rather not have one at all, but if one is needed, you can't go wrong with Vais.  I've always been very satisfied with their brakes; they are very effective.

The Briley brake on Bob's rifle looks cool.  Don't know how effective it is compared to Vais.
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Hey Julio
 
I always thought Briley makes an attractive brake
 
 
 
I had one on a 338 win mag barrel and it was not as loud as the Boss system ones and reduced recoil down to where it felt like a 30-06.  No puff or air in your face either since the slots closest to you are pointed forward.
 
I have a ported barrel on a 338 RUM
 
 
and it does not reduce recoil much but it is not nearly as loud as a normal muzzle brake, does help to keep muzzle rise reduced though.
 
This brake on a 300 RUM
 
 
really reduces recoil a lot but it is very noisy and will blow chit off the reloading bench.  That rifle kicks like a 243 but it is a heavy gun also which will be part of the reason.


Nice pics Bob!! I couldn't see them earlier because my work blocks the site that you store your pics at.  Wink
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Originally posted by JF4545 JF4545 wrote:

I like the looks of those Bob, Vias advertises 40 or maybe 50 % less recoil on a 7mm mag. The 270wsm is pretty much comparible I would say then..But the Vias sticks out a ways...hmm I will check out these web site. Thank you very much!
 
Those are all brakes which are screwed on except the ported one (#3) eh?
 
Yeah, the ported one is part of the barrel and the crown is before the port.  When I rebarreled with a Brux barrel the gunsmith, Guy Malmborg at Lock Stock & Barrel in Salt Lake City, talked me into it.  I'm glad he did.  The barrel is a 26" #5 contour so it is a heavy gun.  I kinda like heavy guns and took the 338 RUM Elk hunting this year and walked a few miles with it.  Sure it would have been nice to have a 7 pound rifle but most of the Elk we were seeing were 400 to 500 yards away and that extra barrel gave me some confidence that I could have made the shot if I had been presented with one.
 
Long time ago I had a 6 1/2 pound Sauer 30-06 and that was the hardest gun to get an accurate load with that I have ever had.  There is a reason that benchrest guns are heavy.  The extra barrel diameter does a lot for accuracy.
 
If you were needing a brake for a .338 I would send you the Briley.  It is still on the Lothar Walther 338 win mag barrel that came off the gun.  The diameter of the barrel at the brake is .650" but I think the diameter of the hole in the brake has to be within a certain close distance to the diameter of the bore for it to be effective.  Might work on a .325 caliber but probably not .308" or smaller.
 
If the barrel does not have a large enough diameter, they usually have to install a brake that would be larger than you barrel diameter.  One of those knob ones like the Boss and not flush like the Briley shown in my pics.
 
What is the diameter of your barrel at the muzzle?
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Bob,
The barrel diameter is smaller, its approx. .560" and the stainless rifle is .590"
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Originally posted by JF4545 JF4545 wrote:

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The barrel diameter is smaller, its approx. .560" and the stainless rifle is .590"
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Then you would not be able to get a "flush" muzzle brake, it would have to be one of the ones that looks like a knot on the end of the barrel.
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I just talked to George at Vias Arms. Very good CS, nice guy. I will be sending the 270wsm to them. They can match the HP finish and have done alot of Kimbers SA's. Been in business along time, I like that. I'l have them recrown the muzzle too!  I may send them another one but I wait and just do one at a time....George told me the design they have does not make the rifle loud for the shooter. Its in the design of the brake and the sound is directed out away from the muzzle. Longer the barrel the better I would guess. This should be interesting and if I do not like it or want to shoot it without the brake, I can just screw the cap on the end of the barrel. Thunbs Up
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I have a Vias on a GAP and it is a very effective brake, but it is loud.  Very!
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There are some that are not as loud as others... probably overall the BOSS is the loudest/caliber of any I have used or seen, but they all are noisy. 
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True.

A guy local in Houston makes/mounts a very effective brake that I prefer above anything else I've used.

The downside to the Vias and similar design is that the view through the scope is obscured for at least a second, meaning you can't watch impact (unless your target is "out there.")

I have moved to the "side port only" design, less barrel rise, little or no dirt blown up into my objective, no sinus-clearing effect on the shooter, and I can watch the hit or miss of the round impact.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

True.

I have moved to the "side port only" design, less barrel rise, little or no dirt blown up into my objective, no sinus-clearing effect on the shooter, and I can watch the hit or miss of the round impact.
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Are you referring to shooting in a prone position, off of a bench?
 
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Either. Both.

A brake with 360 degree ports send smoke and unburnt powder everywhere, including into your objective and into your sinuses.

A brake with side ports sends everything out to the side, not up into your scope and not up into your nose.  They also prevent dust storms when shooting prone, and the good ones angle the ports such that, on recoil, the gun is pulled away from your shoulder and gently pushed down at the muzzle, keeping you on target with the follow-through, no need to re-acquire when the smoke has settled.
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