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In your opinion, what is the best long range scope for a 308?

Please post links to the product if you have any in mind.

I'm still in need for a long range scope.
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Define, "long range"
What is your budget?
What gun is it going on?
Do you require bulet-drop compensation?
What specific features do you require?
What specific features do you want?
 
 
Without any of the requested info, I would say USO SN3 with EREK.  With the requested info, that might change.
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I would agree with everything RC said and add what kind of shooting are you planning? Are you going for target or varmint for fun or serious competition?
 
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Also, some really good info here:
 
 
 
 
 
That'll keep you busy for awhile.  you didn't say tactical was needed, but Zak's stuff lays a pretty good foundation.
 
I've seen big deer killed with Tasco scopes and I've seen clean misses on huge deer and hogs with leupold scopes; optics is only a small (but very important) part of the equation.
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Thanks for your fast reply.
I'm looking to take up long range shooting out to about 1000 yrds
My budget is $1,200
It will be mounted on a springfield m1a scout
I want a illuminated reticle, fully multi-coated,h2o proof, shock proof, fog proof etc..
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I want to also find some schools that provide long range shooting classes. If you can help me out there I would appreciate it.

Thanks.
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Do you have the rifle yet or getting it?
 
I have a SOCOM and it ain't the very best long-range rifle.  The barrel isn't ideal, the mount isn't ideal, and the trigger isn't ideal.
 
If you already have the scout, you need to consider mounting options and needs, probably a Gen3 SA mount. 
 
Will the shots be on a known-distance range (do you need reticule ranging), will the shots be bench-rest?
 
 
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I want to practice unknown distance, so, I need a mil-dot to estimate range.

Yeah i already got the M1A Scout/M14, I VIDEO blogged about it on youtube. Check out the video and tell me what you think.

I appreciate all comments!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpjvI6x0_PM
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This one is sweet. 
http://www.swfa.com/pc-12303-292-ior-4-14x50-tactical-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx
You could also go with this one it is FFP and is in cm instead of MOA
http://www.swfa.com/pc-10157-292-ior-25-10x42-tactical-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx

A problem you may run into is with the rail you are putting on your gun most likely is not a slanted rail.  Meaning the back is not going to be higher than the front, so you are going to need a scope with a lot of adjustment to reach 1000 yards with out a 20 MOA base.  Most of the IOR scopes are designed to use a 20 MOA base and most scope will perform better because when you are shooting at those longer distances it will put your lens assembly/reticle in the center of your scope so you have a lot of windage adjustment.  Here is a link that explains that a bit better.  Top post
 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9676&PN=2
You may want to spend a bit more and get a Nightforce, they have better adjustment range some of them have 100+ MOA, but the glass is not as good as an IOR.  But it is still good glass, you will just notice the lack of quality at the higher powers compared to good Euro glass.

That school I posted earlier to show you on your other post is a really good one.  Vern is a world record holder shooter and was a sniper in the military and has been a precision marksmen all his life.  I have not taken a class from him yet, hoping to this fall or spring of 09.  Those who have taken from him say he is one of the best teachers out there, even very experienced shooters cannot believe what Vern was able to teach them.  
http://www.centralvirginiatactical.com


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Vern still doing classes??
I heard something to the contrary at my local range last Sunday. Hope he's wrong. Vern's good people.
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He has been teaching classes all winter.  One of his recent posts at snipersparadise was telling everyone to come up and train with him in the winter months.  He said we need to know how to shoot when it is cold as well.
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Hmmmm.....
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 Check out your local hunt clubs .... and local shooting ranges ,,,, you'd be surprised of some of the fine ranges and experts giving lessons there !
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Originally posted by merceanary1947 merceanary1947 wrote:

 Check out your local hunt clubs .... and local shooting ranges ,,,, you'd be surprised of some of the fine ranges and experts giving lessons there !
Karate          Whatever Beware of mall ninjas!
 
First you need to change the stock.
 
Then you need to have it re-barreled and worked over by a competent gun smith.
 
Then you put a U.S. Optics  SN3 with EREK on it.
Paint it:
 
 
 
So just send it to George at GAPrecision and send money  -  then wait about 8 to 10 months.
 
estimated cost  $5000. +       results incredible!!!
 
Suggestion : put an aimpoint on it and use it for what it was  designed for, and buy this for $2250.  :     http://www.gaprecision.com/AR10.html 
 
 


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Uri,
The mall ninja thing is pretty funny. When we were first deploying, a young and obviously stupid kid in the company was gonna bring his nunchucks. I asked him what he planned on doing with them, after hearing his obviously stupid answer I told him to give me a demonstration. He dropped them after about five seconds of swinging the gay little sticks. I put him in the front leaning rest, pulled out my kbar and carved penis heads on the end of them and told him that if I ever seen them again I would shove them up his a.. ! Nothing to do with scopes, just thought you might get a laugh.
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I get this question A LOT from friends. So often in fact, that I took the time to write a comprehensive blog post about it.  It covers what the most important features are that you should look for in a long-range scope, and I also make specific recommendations for different price points.
 
 
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Welcome to Optics Talk.

Saw you over at Sniper Central today. Don't mind you posting links to your blog, but please post within the confines of the OT ROE that you agreed to when you signed up.


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Your explanation of First and Second focal planes is wrong. And tube size has NOTHING to with light transmission.  
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Originally posted by PrecisionRifleBlog PrecisionRifleBlog wrote:

I get this question A LOT from friends. So often in fact, that I took the time to write a comprehensive blog post about it.  It covers what the most important features are that you should look for in a long-range scope, and I also make specific recommendations for different price points.
 
 

BS Flagmy comments on your blog.  
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Houston we have a problem.  OP posted in 2008   My God I hope he has found a scope by now  2013.   And now for the winner .... "PrecisionRifleBlog"  an expert who is asked this question all the time will for his first post tell us how the cow ate the cabbage. Roll on Floor Laughing
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LOL!   Wow! I'm I was going to comment but it would just be piling on!   IF you stick around you might just learn something.
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Interesting.

I either need to re-learn everything I know about scopes or that article has a few inaccuracies...

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Quote Tube & Objective Size – Scopes come in a variety of sizes. Common tube diameters for that are 1”, 30mm, 34mm, and 35mm. A general rule of thumb is the bigger the tube, the more light can travel through it. More light is always better. The same is true for the objective size … the bigger it is, the more light can be funneled into the scope. These become critical if you are using the scope in low-light conditions like dusk and dawn. Lens coatings and internal scope technologies can help light transmission, but ultimately tube and objective size have a huge impact. Of course there is a point of diminishing return, and eventually a conflict with portability. I personally prefer a 50mm objective, although most long-range shooters might go 56mm.


This is very a inaccurate statement.  But one that is misunderstood by many, I once thought the same thing as well.  Tube size has nothing to do with brightness or how much light passes through a scope.  Larger tube size willy typically make the scope stronger and can give the builder more room to add more adjustments. 
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PRB,, probably should have warned you that OT is a hot range.
Say what you want, but you need to be right about the info your putting out there.
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