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I have a new Savage 10FP in 308Win.. So far I have tried military ball, military match 173gr fmjbt, Federal 165gr btsp, and Federal match 168gr bthp. I have not been impressed with the accuracy.
For you Savage shooters, What bullet weight, load, or factory ammo gives you the best accuracy?Sharp%20Shooter
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Those guns have a 1-10" twist rate so it is probably going to like the heavier bullets.  Try some SMK 175 and 190s and see how they do.  .308s seem to love varget powder as well.

In my Remington I can shoot 1/2 moa with Federal Gold medal match 175 grain.  They are going 2600 fps with SMK bullets.  Should be real easy to replicate that load.

I used to have a Savage 10 fp and it really liked 178 grain hornady Amax bullets.  It would shoot under 1moa no problem, sometimes I could shoot 1/2 moa with it.
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You got to try Varget and Fed 210M or my preference, BR-2 primers, Belt.  
Those 168gr. bullets should shoot nice in that rifle.
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im sure your aware of this but no two guns will shoot alike, sure we can tell you whats working for us in ours but of course there is no guarrantee it will do the same for yours.
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Thanks for the info guys! The reason I'm asking this question is so I don't spend alot of time and money (remember I'm a cheapskate) chasing the wrong bullit weights or even powders. It has been my experience that generally the same rifles like the same ammo. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but I would like to start where most Savage shooters are getting their best results.
There is a lot of experience and knowledge here, and I would like to put it to good use. Please keep those bullits and powders comingYippee.
I'll keep you posted on my results.
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Finally the weather was right and I had the time. Got to shoot the loads I worked up to find a maximum load. I used military IVI brass (I've got lots of it) Federal match primers, 175gr SMK, and Varget powder. I started at 36.5 grs and worked up to 41.0 grs. 41.0 grs started to show signs of high preassure (primers just started to crater and one round was hard to extract). I also grouped each load and they all grouped 1 1/4" or less with most under 1".
I'm going to try two loads and see how they average. They are 37.5grs and 40.0grs of Varget. I think if I do my part I can get these groups down to a 1/2" average using these components.
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Thanks.

 
Are you staying with Varget or switching to something else?
Varget didn't do much in my rifle with 175 grainers.  
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So far I like the results, but I'm not done with my research. After I try the 37.5 and 40.0gr charges of Varget I'm going t try Win 748 with the 175s. I use 748 for my 223s because it meters well in my Dillon and it's easy to get around here so it makes since to try it. The next bullit  I'll try is 168gr SMKs with both powders.
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Well I went to the range today and tried my two loads. Looks like 37.5 grs of Varget edged out the 40.0gr load but not by much (haven't measured group sizes yet).
I'm kinda srcatching my head. Seems like the groups average the same size no matter the charge wt.. With powders I've used in the past there always seemed to be one or even two charge wts. that gave the tightest groups between starting and maximum charge wts..
Guess I'll try Win. 748 with the 175 SMK and see what happens.
Cheaptrick is this the results you got? My groups seem to run 1/2" to 1 1/4" with Varget.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Cheaptrick is this the results you got? My groups seem to run 1/2" to 1 1/4" with Varget.
 
Is that with 168gr. SMK's or 175gr?
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Either. I just thought it was odd that group sizes (at least with the 175s) seemed to average the same size no matter what the powder charge wt was with the Varget.
Cheaptrick if your results were different with the 168s using Varget, please let me know.
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Yeah, I didn't get very good results with 175gr SMK's.
I only tried them with Varget, but it was a bust for me.
You have a 1 in 10 twist barrel, so they may well work for you. (Should)
 
Most the .308 shooters in my AO are using Varget too.
 
I run 168gr. SMK's and 45.5gr. of Varget with CCI BR-2 primers.
I have shot this same load for quite awhile with good results.
 
Here's a 5 shot, 100 yd group with that load.
 
 
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That's some good shooting there Mark.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

That's some good shooting there Mark.
 
 
Thank you, Sir.
 
You might want to give Mike McDonald a shout, Belt Fed.  
He shoots .308's and 175gr. pills way out at long ranges and he's an incredible rifleman.    
 
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Thanks Ct! Couldn't you tighten up that group though, just kidding. THAT's a GREAT group.
Back to the lab. Good thing I've got a good supply of 168 SMKs.
I'm quiress how you worked up to this load, if you don't mind, just briefly.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

I'm quiress how you worked up to this load, if you don't mind, just briefly.
 
I'll tell ya, but you'll laugh. Embarrased
 
I bought a Remington VS .308 with a 1 in 12 twist barrel just to fool around with at the range.
I had been shooting .300 WM's and a .300 RUM and welcomed the reduced recoil of the aforementioned Remington. Wink 
 
Some guys at my range that shot .308's recommended Varget and Fed 210M primers. 
On the can of Varget, you'll notice it lists a load for 168gr. Sierra HPBT @ 46gr. and Fed 210M primers.
 
Not knowing any better, I went off and loaded up some rounds with 45grs of Varget and Fed primers and started shooting.
Groups were a lot like the ones in the pic, but a little larger.
Went to 46gr. and group size shrunk.
Backed off to 45.5gr. and group size stayed the same. Changed to CCI BR-2 primers and the rest is......history. Wink   
 
We checked my speed the last time out with a chrony and it averaged around 2760 FPS with my 26" barrel. Your barrel is 24", correct?
 
I'm a real "ham and egger" reloader, but theres some real experts on this forum.    
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Oh, I load my rounds LONG too.
Those rounds in the pic were loaded at 2.960"....Smile
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How could you laugh at results like that. It might be dumb luck at worst but you can't argue with the results.
I never would have done it that way because I use military brass (which could be part of my problem) that I have a lot of.
Back to the laboratoryStiring%20The%20PotNO2Reloader
 
I'll keep ya up dated as th results come in.
Anyway Thanks for your help!
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I've been loading 44.0 grains Varget with the 168 gr Horniday AMAX Molly coated bullet 

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Well I tried the 175 SMKs with Win. 748. Haven't really tried to find that accurate load yet, still trying to find the max. load. Anyway, it looked like my first two loads may be the best for 748 (39.0 and 39.5grs). 748 doesn't seem to group any tighter than Varget so far. I have noticed that the starting loads of both powders seem to give the best groups. According to the manuals this would be around 2400fps.
I'm going to try the 168SMK next, but first I'm going to open up the barrel channel on the stock (it's a Bell&Carlson). The barrel is free floated, but the stock is closer to the right side of the barrel and it might have something to do with the last 2 of 5 shots being fliers usually to the left. Anyway back to the lab.
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Any new SITREP on the .308, Belt?
 
I'm going to get me another box of 155gr. Lapua Scenars......Devil


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I think you need to get some good brass as well.  That might be part of your problem for not obtaining your accuracy desired.  I started with Winchester brass and was getting around 1 MOA groups with my Remmy.  I then bought some Lapua brass and my groups dropped down to 1/2 MOA sometimes better, consistently. 

I think with Lapua you will also be able to load more powder and get some more velocity.  I load 43.5 grs or Varget for 175 gr SMK and reached 44.5 before I saw pressure signs.  I load 42 grains for 185 Lapua Scenars and am getting around 2580 out of those larger 185 grainers.   I realize it could be the rifle, but that just seems awfully low to me. 

Also why don't you buy a couple boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match and just seen what it does in your rifle.  Get some 175s and 168s and see how it shoots.  My experience with that ammo has been really good.  It shoots as good as my handloads out of my gun, it is expensive, but it might give you a place to start and let you know if it is your loads or your gun that might be letting you down.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I think you need to get some good brass as well.  That might be part of your problem for not obtaining your accuracy desired.  I started with Winchester brass and was getting around 1 MOA groups with my Remmy.  I then bought some Lapua brass and my groups dropped down to 1/2 MOA sometimes better, consistently. 

I think with Lapua you will also be able to load more powder and get some more velocity.  I load 43.5 grs or Varget for 175 gr SMK and reached 44.5 before I saw pressure signs.  I load 42 grains for 185 Lapua Scenars and am getting around 2580 out of those larger 185 grainers.   I realize it could be the rifle, but that just seems awfully low to me. 

Also why don't you buy a couple boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match and just seen what it does in your rifle.  Get some 175s and 168s and see how it shoots.  My experience with that ammo has been really good.  It shoots as good as my handloads out of my gun, it is expensive, but it might give you a place to start and let you know if it is your loads or your gun that might be letting you down.
 
Good advise on buying Lapua brass and picking up some Federal Gold Match to try.  
 
I only use Lapua .308 brass these days....It's the "shiznit"....Or whatever that term kids are saying today. Smile   
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Decent brass would probable help, but Winchester is about as good as I could get. Lapua and Norma brass is as scarace as hens teeth around here. besides I have a lot of military brass of the same head stamp I can sort and weigh.
I'm going to try some IMR 4895 this week with the 175SMKs, then I may have to try the 168s. 175s have dried up.
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some twists prefer the 168 and some prefer the 175
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