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Hello, I'm new here as well as new to the "modern" binocular industry. I own several vintage binoculars, many from thrift stores. They are old such as WWII type 10x50. I have and old Carl Zeiss 8x30, some assorted brands of 7x25, an M3 6x30, an old Pentax 7x50 7.1, and recently bought a pair of Nikon Action 8x40 8.2 for $12.00.

I had the chance and bought a pair of Vixen 14598 Atrek 8x42 DCF Binoculars at Amazon for $97.95. I took a chance buying them with absolutely no reviews I can find anywhere. My first modern pair of binoculars. I like how the diopter adjustment clicks like a fine tooth ratchet. I don't know much about binoculars except what I have been reading recently. I do find that the Nikon Actions seem to be slightly brighter than the Vixen though the Vixen's have better edge sharpness but less field of view.

Since i've been reading posts here and elsewhere, my ocular addiction seems to be growing, much like my LED flashlight addiction.  I'm not a wealthy person so I must stay within the budget range.

My inquiry is into the new  Zen-Ray 10VISTA 8x42 which are available for $130. Are they a big improvement over the Vixen Atrek binoculars?

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About the Vixen 14598 Atrek 8x42 DCF: I think Amazon may have made a mistake selling them to me at $97.95 because the next day they were $199 and I have not seen them anywhere for less.
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It may not be real easy to find anybody who has seen one of the Vixen's like yours.  Probably not many new Vistas out yet either.
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I have zero experience with the Vixens and little experience with binoculars. However I did, just receive, tonight, a set of the Zen Ray Vistas 8x42. The new and improved ones with better coatings. So far, I've played around with them in the car at night looking at lit up stores while my wife drove and was pretty impressed. Tomorrow I will actually get a chance to play with them outside. I'm hoping to glass some of the Colorado countryside. 
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I was looking at stars tonight, with the Vixen, and it appears the right field distorts the star earlier than the left field.
 
At my price range I guess I will have to accept the limitations.

Unfortunately, reading the forums and other literature made me aware of the faults and they have become glaring. Now I want the ZR ED2 but it's way out of my reach.  
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Originally posted by lynchknot lynchknot wrote:

I was looking at stars tonight, with the Vixen, and it appears the right field distorts the star earlier than the left field. 
 
Can you correct this by adjusting the right diopter settings?
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Can you correct this by adjusting the right diopter settings?
 
That was my thought too.  Always seems a tad arrogant to ask "are you sure you have them set up and focused properly?"  But I guess I just did anyway Smile.   But that could be a defect too.  One more common out of the box malfunctions I have seen is a diopter that does not adjust properly, or one that will not stay put once adjusted.  If you can adjust the focus problem out, then find the problem back again the next time you use it, it just about has to go back, it won't get better with time.
 
If you are interested in the Zen Ray stuff, take a look at the ZRS.  These have HD eyepieces and are designed with a somewhat flatter than normal field.  The new ones, which are six weeks at least away will feature dielectric prism coatings.  Those are a very good buy for less than $200.


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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by lynchknot lynchknot wrote:

I was looking at stars tonight, with the Vixen, and it appears the right field distorts the star earlier than the left field. 
 
Can you correct this by adjusting the right diopter settings?


Of course but then if I bring the star back to center it will be distorted.
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since I don't have a way to edit.......

What I mean is that I would focus on a star then move the binocular to left then right to see if the star stayed in focus throughout the field. The star becomes distorted much earlier in the right of field.
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Originally posted by lynchknot lynchknot wrote:

since I don't have a way to edit.......

What I mean is that I would focus on a star then move the binocular to left then right to see if the star stayed in focus throughout the field. The star becomes distorted much earlier in the right of field.
 
That is what I thought you meant.  It could mean a bad barrel, a bad diopter in that barrel, or still a diopter focus problem.  If you are sure (if not just ask) about your diopter adjustment, then service or replacement is a likely avenue.  A view like that will eventually give you eye strain and headaches.


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Another question Big Smile:

Should the image through the bin be brighter than the naked eye? The Vixen is darker and the Nikon is about same (as naked eye) or slightly brighter.
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I was also wondering why the old Zen-Ray VISTA 10x42 is more expensive than the new model.
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I imagine it is because it is a different binocular with improved manufacturing techniques and maybe even from a different factory. The old Vista design has been left behind in the name of progress.

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Originally posted by lynchknot lynchknot wrote:

since I don't have a way to edit.......

 
Once you are logged in you should have no problem editing your comments.
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by lynchknot lynchknot wrote:

since I don't have a way to edit.......

 
Once you are logged in you should have no problem editing your comments.
Have to have a certain number of post before you can.
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What I mean is that I would focus on a star then move the binocular to left then right to see if the star stayed in focus throughout the field. The star becomes distorted much earlier in the right of field.
 
 
It could mean a bad barrel
 
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Yes, it sounds as if the quality of both barrels are not equal, optically.
You can return it, and exchange it for another.

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A guy naned EdZ described, what appears to me, the same issue with Zen Ray ED2 Here: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3266224/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1

Does anyone know anything about these cheap ED glass bins? http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Optic-Birding-Binocular-Degree/dp/B002YGPRYC/ref=acc_glance_p_ai_BST_t_4
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