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I am becoming increasingly interested in the notion of a fixed power scope.  I suppose it could be because I've only owned variables and like the idea of added durability and not messing with a power ring.
Whatever the reason, I'm going to give one a try and would like some input.
I'm just as interested in magnification and objective size as I am actual brands.
What is the Forum's choice regarding best all around fixed power for the following uses :
--hunting, daylight to dark
--shots that could easily be in 600-700yd range
--moderate use on dingers and paper at same range
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How much $ is in your budget?
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I'd like to keep my first fixed at $500 or less.  I don't want to spend a whoooole bunch until I decide they are for me. 

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This scope would be a good fit for what you are looking for. A lot of good things are said about these scopes I'm sure you will find a lot of people who will recommend this scope:

http://www.swfa.com/pc-4306-2760-swfa-ss-16x42-tactical-riflescope.aspx

If your hunting (I don't know the type of hunting you are referring to) but you might want to go with the 10x


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The hunting will be primarily Missouri deer, with heavy timber on one side and a mile of open row crop on the other.



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Your best fixed power scope choice, will be the one that works the best on your rifle, cartridge (not mentioned), depends on your average hunting distances (not mentioned), and paper punch`n and dinging distances (mentioned).
 
IF,,, you`re going from timber and shorter to moderate/medium  range brush hunting where wider FOV`s are better on a lower power, out to paper punchin and dingin at 600-700 yards, then I would forego a fixed power and continue "messing" around with the power ring on a good quality variable and take your chances that there will be no dependability issues....Over many years, I`ve never had a problem with a variable.
 
A 6x power fixed scope would be a good choice at 600-700 yards, but is not the best choice should you have closer encounters in heavier terrain.
 
Your choice as to what fixed power, really depends on your use.
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I agree with a variable power would give a better all around performance  but  6x for 600-700 yard paper punching shootin would leave me wanting more....
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I'd look hard at Zeiss Conquest 4x.  The IOR 4x hunting scope would be a close second. Kahles is not importing in thier 6x.  THAT would have been the scope.  It had the same field of view as 4x Leupold.  Any of those would be better quality than a WWII sniper scope of about the same power that made longer shots than mentioned.
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For fixed power... Zeiss Conquest 4x
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

For fixed power... Zeiss Conquest 4x
 
Do you think 4x will be enough magnification for 6" and 8" dingers at 600 yards?
Does Zeiss offer, and at what price, target turrets?  I dope for windage/elevation and need excellent tracking and target/tactical turrets.
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I would suggest a Leupold FX-III 6x42. I have hunted with a bunch of 6x42 Leupolds over the the years, and have used them to take everything from running deer at 25 yards to (standing) coyotes at over 600.

The myth that 6x is too much for close range was started with older scopes, like the original Weaver 3/4" models and 7/8" tube Lymans. These had very small ocular lenses and hence very small fields of view. But a modern 6x has over 4' of of FOV at 25 yards, plenty for shooting deer.

I have also never had a 6x42 Leupold cause any problems in the field, even on very hard-kicking rifles. The optics in the latest models are very good.

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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Your best fixed power scope choice, will be the one that works the best on your rifle, cartridge (not mentioned), depends on your average hunting distances (not mentioned), and paper punch`n and dinging distances (mentioned).
 
IF,,, you`re going from timber and shorter to moderate/medium  range brush hunting where wider FOV`s are better on a lower power, out to paper punchin and dingin at 600-700 yards, then I would forego a fixed power and continue "messing" around with the power ring on a good quality variable and take your chances that there will be no dependability issues....Over many years, I`ve never had a problem with a variable.
 
A 6x power fixed scope would be a good choice at 600-700 yards, but is not the best choice should you have closer encounters in heavier terrain.
 
Your choice as to what fixed power, really depends on your use.
 
The caliber is a .270WSM.  The hunting ranges will be the same as dinger ranges (600-700).  The brush that lines one side of my best hunting spot is so dense that shots are almost impossible unless they are right under my stand.  Thus, 95%+ of my shots are in the wide, wide open.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I would get a 6x.  IOR also makes a 6x that will have very nice glass.  For your intended ranges I think that would be better than a 4x.  
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I can see a 6x for hunting applications at 600-700 yards but 6x for shooting paper and dingers at 600-700 yards?
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Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

For fixed power... Zeiss Conquest 4x
 
Do you think 4x will be enough magnification for 6" and 8" dingers at 600 yards?
Does Zeiss offer, and at what price, target turrets?  I dope for windage/elevation and need excellent tracking and target/tactical turrets.


For hunting a fixed 4x is a great all-around choice. Punching paper at the distance you listed, target turrets, etc., I'd probably get something else in a variable (then you can also use it for hunting). I would not choose a 6x for hunting at close ranges but that's just me and where I hunt.
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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

I would suggest a Leupold FX-III 6x42. I have hunted with a bunch of 6x42 Leupolds over the the years, and have used them to take everything from running deer at 25 yards to (standing) coyotes at over 600.

The myth that 6x is too much for close range was started with older scopes, like the original Weaver 3/4" models and 7/8" tube Lymans. These had very small ocular lenses and hence very small fields of view. But a modern 6x has over 4' of of FOV at 25 yards, plenty for shooting deer.

I have also never had a 6x42 Leupold cause any problems in the field, even on very hard-kicking rifles. The optics in the latest models are very good.

I've been kicking the idea of a FX-3 around, John.  I do know that I can at least have the M1 knobs installed on those. 
Do those have the dual erector springs and same glass as the new VX-3's?
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Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Your best fixed power scope choice, will be the one that works the best on your rifle, cartridge (not mentioned), depends on your average hunting distances (not mentioned), and paper punch`n and dinging distances (mentioned).
 
IF,,, you`re going from timber and shorter to moderate/medium  range brush hunting where wider FOV`s are better on a lower power, out to paper punchin and dingin at 600-700 yards, then I would forego a fixed power and continue "messing" around with the power ring on a good quality variable and take your chances that there will be no dependability issues....Over many years, I`ve never had a problem with a variable.
 
A 6x power fixed scope would be a good choice at 600-700 yards, but is not the best choice should you have closer encounters in heavier terrain.
 
Your choice as to what fixed power, really depends on your use.
 
The caliber is a .270WSM.  The hunting ranges will be the same as dinger ranges (600-700).  The brush that lines one side of my best hunting spot is so dense that shots are almost impossible unless they are right under my stand.  Thus, 95%+ of my shots are in the wide, wide open.
 
 
 If that`s the case, then I`d go for a 6X. The 6X FX111 Leupold would be my choice.   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I forgot to add that I used to have a 6-20x50 Leupold. When hunting distances like 25 yards, I found I could get the shot off but I always thought it was way too much power on the low end. In perfect world sure but the unpredictable hunting situations, rushed shots, etc., I felt more comfortable after I switched to a 4-12x40. Again, just me and where we hunt.






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If I decide to go with the 6x42 Leupold, what knobs do you all think are best on them,  M1, M2, etc???  I've only got experience with Kenton's but don't want to fork over the dough to have tall turrets added from Leupy AND then pay for knobs from Kenton.
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You are custom ordering from Leupold right.  VX3   6x42   add target knobs the ones with covers that screw on or decide you like the M1 tactical  exposed knobs and go with those for just a few dollars more. I do not believe M2 is an option.  M1 knobs are 1/4moa and M2 are 1/2moa. M3 are 1moa per click. Leupold will allow you to add other custom options one of which is a custom reticle with known distance hold over marks based on your cartridge custom etched on the reticle --- on a fixed 6 this is ideal. Another option is balistic compensating engraved knobs which will cost you less to buy from Leupold than from Kenton.   And now for the bad news once you take this scope and add the goodies you are so close to the price of a Leupold mark 4  4.5-14x40 tactical with target knobs that it makes more sense to go with it since it has adjustable parallax.  IOR made a 6x42 tactical with covered target knobs but It is unclear to me if it is available or not as I recently attempted to buy one without success and I dont see it on the IOR web site.
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My last two scopes were fixed power (a 2.5X and a 4X) and I thought they were great for shots out to MPBR (which is ~300 yards for my .308 loads). But I have moved to a 2.5-10X variable for the ability to shoot in close cover (as with the elk I took at 35 yards this last season) or out to 600 yards. If all your shooting is going to be out past 200, then a 10X Super Sniper would be great. But it seems like the 6X and under options will provide too little magnification out past 400 yards and require expensive modification to get target turrets. 
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huff143,

I don't think they do. At least I haven't heard anything about that--yet.

On the other hand, 6x scopes tend to transmit more light than variables set on 6x, because they have fewer lenses. My guess (based on some experience) is that a 6x42 FX-III would be just as bright as a VX-3 3.5-10x40 set on 6x.

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Isn't the FX III still a 3 piece tube?  I'm sorry I love my Leupy's but I disregard any offering that doesn't have a 1 piece main tube.  Call me a gear snob but that's one of my requirements.  A $50 Tasco has a 1 piece tube.
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I'm going to interject a different proposition.  You said you wanted to TRY a fixed power scope.  Pentax Gameseeker makes both a 4x and a 6x and I would bet you could get either one for under $100.  I have the 4x mounted on my .458 Lott, it has over 200 rounds on it, and it tracks as well as any scope I have.  Glass is quite good, I've hog hunted at night with it.  It does not have target knobs, don't know if you can get them, but it does have finger adjustable az/el.  It would be a great scope to experiment with until you decide whether you like/want fixed power.Then you can get a "better" scope if you want one.  I replaced a Schmidt and Bender with Pentax...
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