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Hi guys just joined so first of all hello from New Zealand and congrads on a very informative forum. My problem is im wanting to upgrade my vx1 3-9-40 on my tikka 270 and i have found a few scopes im keen on but they seem to not be available with a bdc or mildot option and i cant see why, i would love to get the Bushnell 4200 4-16-40 or the Weaver grandslam 4.5-14 but no bdc or mildot, i like the look of the Nikon monarch 4-16-42 but the bdc looks to large and may restrict view? im also looking at the Burris fullfield 2 4.5-14 with bdc and a free spotting scope which seems like a good buy but not so sure of the optics? Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Nikon BDC should not be a problem. Has not been for me and several others on this forum like them pretty well. I have had no problem with the reticle restricting view. You will hear more from others, I am sure. The Bushnell 4200's are very nice, RainGuard is hard to beat. Any scope you get, there are trades you make. There may be one out there that "has it all", but I know I could not afford it. You must decide on the features that are most important to YOU. Then, the comments from this forum will be quite helpful to you. Under the Riflescopes heading there are several threads discussing Nikon vs Burris/Bushnell/Weaver. Suggest you look them over. Lots of info already here.
BTW...a BIG howdy and welcome. Always great to hear from our distant cousins.

Do a search on Nikon Monarch and you will be inundated with info.





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Welcome to The OT.
 
As KB mentioned, the BDC will NOT obscure most targets and works as advertised, but must be used with known distances to work accurately. 
You'll need a range finder.
 
What type of shooting are you planning? I assume if you are scoping a .270 it's for big game?
 
The Monarch optically smokes the Burris FF II you mentioned.
 


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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

There may be one out there that "has it all", but I know I could not afford it.
 
It's made in California at a place called US Optics and it's a SN-3.
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Its used for everthing we have from chamois thru to elk, yeh im using a bushnell rangefinder at the moment but will upgrade soon its getting abit old, sounds like that nikon could be worth a look thanks for your help
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I would probably encourage you to go with the 2.5-10x Monarch for a strickly big game hunting rifle, Sir.
A little better exit pupil than the 4-16x and lower magnification (2.5x) on the bottom end and no side focus.
I guess it's personal preference, but the 2.5-10x would work better for me in that role.
 
Here's a review I did on the new Monarch. Hope you find it helpful.
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Kiwihunter--

 Had an older Nikon Monarch 6.5-20x44 (AO) with the BDC and also own a Bushnell 3200
5-15x40 tactical model with the mil-dot and tactcial knobs.  I got rid of the Nikon because in my opinion the crosshairs are thicker and the BDC marks are too large.  I never felt comfortable with Monarch because I felt the BDC recticle somehow "confused" me.  On the other hand, the Bushy 3200 installs more confidence in me with the thinner crosshairs and the less obtrusive mil-dots.  Others I shoot with also preferred the mil-dot over the BDC.   I  am planning to purchase Bushnell 4200 6-25x50 tactical model with 30mm tube to replace Nikon.  I hope you can find both types of scopes (BDC vs mildot) to do side by side comparison before making final decision.  It'll save you both time and money in the long run. 
 
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Originally posted by cnwrobb cnwrobb wrote:

I got rid of the Nikon because in my opinion the crosshairs are thicker and the BDC marks are too large.  I never felt comfortable with Monarch because I felt the BDC recticle somehow "confused" me. 

 
Too thick/large for what, Sir?  
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 Whaaaat ?  My Nikon Monarch AO M MD 6.5-20 X 44 mil dot Dual IR has small dots compared to some I've seen . I hit squirrels with it !  I'm confused ........ unless you're talking about the posts that lead to the mildot in the center .
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Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

 Whaaaat ?  My Nikon Monarch AO M MD 6.5-20 X 44 mil dot Dual IR has small dots compared to some I've seen . I hit squirrels with it !  I'm confused ........ unless you're talking about the posts that lead to the mildot in the center .
 
Merc, I believe our friend is referring to the Nikon BDC reticle, not the Mil Dot you have and I had.
 
 
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Cheaptrick--
I mean thicker than Nikoplex on similar scope such as 5.5-16.5x44 Monarch AO and the Buckmaster 4-14.5x40 AO.  Have both these scopes and reticles are definately different thickness the the BDC recticle.  I tried using the BDC for coyote hunting in the wide open corn fields of Illinois and deer hunting in Kansas.  I might be picking out small details, but this is just MHO.  I would sometimes lose myself with the BDC spots when scoping deer in dense timber or silhoutted (sp?) against  brush in the background.  Don't get me wrong, I like all my Nikons (I own 6 on different guns).  Just never felt comfortable with the BDC.
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I'm not a big BDC guy either.  I might be able to get used to it, but I don't shoot much past 250 yds on deer, so no real incentive to try and get used to it.
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I had wondered about the side focus being an issue having not used one before, i want the extra power for my longer shots i find it makes things easier for goat shooting 400yards +

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I honestly like the BDC reticle "so far" on my admitted limited use of it.
I shot a couple of decent 3 shot groups on a prairie dog target using the circles too.
Sub-MOP....(Minute of Prairie dog.) Yep,%20Thought%20So
 
The SWFA gang were consistently banging shaving cream cans @ 500 yards with different calibers and shooters. Got a video of that.
 
It's not a target dot reticle and it's not a German #4, but this reticle should be more popular than it is....In my biased opinion.  
 
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Originally posted by kiwihunter36 kiwihunter36 wrote:

I had wondered about the side focus being an issue having not used one before, i want the extra power for my longer shots i find it makes things easier for goat shooting 400yards +

 
Missed this earlier.
 
The side focus has a locking feature which keeps it from being turned inadvertently.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

There may be one out there that "has it all", but I know I could not afford it.

 

It's made in California at a place called US Optics and it's a SN-3.

Wink  Big%20Grin  Bandito   

And a mighty fine piece of optical equipment it is...
However, I have not had my hands on one, cannot verify the "has it all requirement" (but it certainly appears to), and being the poor civil servant that I am, I CANNOT afford one. At least until I save up...would dearly love to see your field report on this scope. Was not the SN-3 ballistically calibrated for .308? I don't know much about this optic and am working on long term memory here...
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KB, my 3.2-17x44mm SN-3 had a MOA reticle, Ergo adjustment and a EREK knob. 
Best scope I have ever owned, hands down.
 
Many current field reports to be had over at Sniper's Hide by more qualified people than myself.
(From the USO website.)
 
 
USO is a full blown custom scope shop and will give you basically whatever calibrated reticle you desire....For a fee. Wink
 
I sold my SN-3 about 3 years ago. Still hurts to say that. Really%20Sad
I have a pic of it mounted on my Remington .308 floating around here somewhere.
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

KB, my 3.2-17x44mm SN-3 had a MOA reticle, Ergo adjustment and a EREK knob. 
Best scope I have ever owned, hands down.

 

Many current field reports to be had over at Sniper's Hide by more qualified people than myself.


(From the USO website.)

 

 

USO is a full blown custom scope shop and will give you basically whatever calibrated reticle you desire....For a fee. Wink


 

I sold my SN-3 about 3 years ago. Still hurts to say that. Really%20Sad

I have a pic of it mounted on my Remington .308 floating around here somewhere.

 
CT,
Thank you. I will CIO. My great regret is selling my 4x S&B...I sometimes still cry over making that choice. Choices...
Would love to see the pix.

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Originally posted by cnwrobb cnwrobb wrote:

Cheaptrick--
I mean thicker than Nikoplex on similar scope such as 5.5-16.5x44 Monarch AO and the Buckmaster 4-14.5x40 AO.  Have both these scopes and reticles are definately different thickness the the BDC recticle.  I tried using the BDC for coyote hunting in the wide open corn fields of Illinois and deer hunting in Kansas.  I might be picking out small details, but this is just MHO.  I would sometimes lose myself with the BDC spots when scoping deer in dense timber or silhoutted (sp?) against  brush in the background.  Don't get me wrong, I like all my Nikons (I own 6 on different guns).  Just never felt comfortable with the BDC.

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My USO pics are only on the SWFA Photo Gallery. I'll see if I can find them.    
My old computer crashed taking my pics with them.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

KB, my 3.2-17x44mm SN-3 had a MOA reticle, Ergo adjustment and a EREK knob. 
Best scope I have ever owned, hands down.

 

Many current field reports to be had over at Sniper's Hide by more qualified people than myself.


(From the USO website.)

 

 

USO is a full blown custom scope shop and will give you basically whatever calibrated reticle you desire....For a fee. Wink


 

I sold my SN-3 about 3 years ago. Still hurts to say that. Really%20Sad

I have a pic of it mounted on my Remington .308 floating around here somewhere.

 
You are correct, there is a WEALTH of info at SH. More than can be absorbed in a short time. This looks like just the "ultimate" I am looking for for the rig I am building. Planning on either Krieger or Shilen barrel (had decided on Krieger, but now am contemplating Shilen) on a Win Mod 70 30-06. Right now, with stock barrel it is good to hold 1MOA, really have to "bear down" to get there. I am an -06 lover. If US Optics "customizes", looks like a good option. I was actually considering the Ellis Optics scope (from another post) but now have ANOTHER dilemma. Thank you for the inputs.

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KB, I found the pics of my old SN-3 for you.
 
 
 
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Boy!! I forgot how GI-NORMOUS that USO was!!!
Compared to the Monarch, that is.
 
Same rifle and rail in both pics.
 
 
Sorry for the hi-jack of your thread, kiwi.  
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CT, thank you for the photos. LOVE the looks of that USO. It is a monster, though. The Monarch doesn't look bad, but the rifle really is HOT with that USO on it.
Kiwi, my apologies as well...just the thoughts flow during a certain thread sometimes, no intent to take over your post.
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I have a 4-16x40 Bushnell 4200 and you can get Kenton knobs for those which is a better route than a balistic reticle. Balistic reticles only work at the highest power unless it is a FFP First Focal Plane scope. http://www.kentonindustries.com/
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