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Is it just me?
Every time I go the Leupold web site to find information, it is to frustrating, it hurts my feelings.

I saw "Leupold Mark AR Riflescopes... BDC calibrated for .223 Rem in 55gr" on SWFA.
I have been buying Leupold scopes from SWFA for decades. Good product and good reseller, but....

What is BCD?
I like an adjustable turret, but I never load .223 to 55kpsi per SAMMI*, so my vertical drop would be different. And I shoot 60 different cartridges, and play musical scopes with the rifles. Can I just use my own chart that I make up for so many MOA for so many yards I want to adjust? Or is the turret just marked in "BCD"?

As per usual, I could not get any information from the Leupold web site.
I got the answer from Google images that had an image still on the Google server, but gone from photo bucket where someone was selling a BCD turret on 24HCF classified.

"Leupold BDC M1 dial for 300 WSM set up for yards $45.00 shipped USPS Priority, Money Orders prefered"

This pic contains the information unavailable at the Leupold site.
But is this the same kind of turret?



*35k psi for rodents, 75kpsi for ruminants




Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - July/21/2011 at 07:57
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Clark what they are doing is custom engraving turrets to show the distance at the point you would dial to it you were using 1/4 moa or 1/10 mil clicks.  Its just a matter of turning the knob to the right spot so one needs to know what the right spot is.  It's like knobs for dummies - takes any guess work out of the deal .  Kenton Industries engraves knobs for lots of different scopes.  Leupold Custom shop will alos custom engrave knobs.  These BDC knobs are set up for guys who only shoot one load from their rifle.  I dont ever shoot 55 gr from a .223 either but lots of people do.  The down side to this if first that there will be a cap over the knob second that its a one inch tube so farily limited amount of internal adjustment and at that price point from Leupold probably so so glass
Leupold 3-9x40 Mark AR Riflescope Duplex Leupold 3-9x40 Mark AR Riflescope
Stock # - LEU67165
  • Matte finish
  • Duplex reticle
  • 1" tube
  • BDC calibrated for .223 Rem in 55gr
  • Multi-Coat 4 Lens System
$299.95 


Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - July/20/2011 at 19:32
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I suggest you consider one of these scopes instead. and while I like the new mil quad reticle buying the currently available KIT which only comes with the mildot version makes a lot of sense cause you get a great mount also.
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SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope Mil-Dot SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42
  • Matte
  • First Focal Plane Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95  
SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42MQ
  • Matte
  • First Focal Plane Mil-Quad
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95 


Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - July/20/2011 at 19:36
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I got an SS 20X in 2005, I used it once. Tiny exit pupil and very sensitive to focus. I may  use it again.

I have an IOR 2x10 that is first focal plane, and the reticle nearly disappears on 2x. I will  use it again on 10X, but not 2x.

Yeah, the cap over the adjustment is not as good:
 a) have to take off the cap to adjust it, and the deer might run away while unscrewing.
 b) catalog photos don't show what is under the cap.


Edited by Clark - July/21/2011 at 01:09
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The 3-9 SS has nothing in common with the 20X other than name, it's noticeably higher quality with very bright and easy to use optics and is a much better scope than the Leupold AR.  Its Mil-Quad reticle is many times better than the old IOR reticle and is exceedingly easy to see even at 3X.

While you can pick up extra turrets and have them marked in yards by Kenton to your data if you want a "BDC," from the sound of it you'd just use your own Mil vs Yard charts for whatever round you happen to be shooting.  Works very well.


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Clark I have had the 20x42 SS also and I agree it is designed more for shots where you have time to make the adjustments shooting off a bench.  I also have some FFP scopes a Leupold Mk4 and two of the 3-9 Super Snipers and the 5-20 Super Sniper.  I have to say that for a hunting scope it is really hard to beat a fixed 6x42 FX3 with the long range duplex.  If however you need to dial in correction the newer models of Super Sniper that are variables do have some advantages.  I agree that the reticle can appear very fine at lowest power with FFP scope however when you add illumination to them that tends to overcome the fine reticle at lower power.  As for the 3-9x42 Super Sniper scopes I believe you would be impressed with several things about the scope, first the quality of the glass, second the clicks being mil dot based which in combination with the reticle makes for a very fast system to make adjustmentes.  (need 2.4 mil adjustment hold over on  the second mil dot and dial 4 clicks) Since it is FFP this works at any power.   Granted at 3x the reticle looks fairly fine but as you get up to 5 or 6x where I really like to be when hunting its pretty good.   You do know that you can trade in scopes you no longer want to SWFA at their http://www.samplelist.com/TradeInForm.aspx link.
In regard to the issue with the focus being very picky on your 20 SS please note that the 3-9SS does not use any focus adjustment at all you pick it up and look through it and everything is in focus.  As for the 20x having a tiny exit pupil - it does it is a daylight only scope and at sunset loold very grey but so does any 20x42 as the exit eye pupil is  (42 divided by 20 =  2.1mm) 
 Where a 6x42 is (42 divided by 6 = 7mm)


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There's nothing "fine" about the Mil-Quad, even on 3X, there's no comparison to the old IOR which did not have any thick posts.



It's better than any of the Leupold reticles offered in the Mark AR scope in low light even on low power, SFP or not.
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This is my old IOR on 2X.
This is not usable for me on game.
Fine for targets.
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Originally posted by Clark Clark wrote:

Is it just me?
Every time I go the Leupold web site to find information, it is to frustrating,


Nope me too.

I want good solid information about a product, especially considering the cost of some items, and I'm often disappointed with manufacturer websites.
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