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For starters, I am very new at posting on this forum but I have been coming on here a while after just recently getting back into rifles and optics.  That being said, I have had several Barska products for quite some time and have been very happy with them, they are a great product for the price and for someone who can't afford to buy a $800 scope to put on a $400 gun, they are great.  I have read some chatter on the forum about Barsak and much of it is positive but virtually all posts concerning Barska are met with extremley negative comments and reactions by 'cheaptrick'.  I am just curious as to why you/he has such sub-par opinions of Barska especially when it seems you have never owned a Barska product.  Please enlighten us/me becuase I don't think people come on here to read unsubstantiated "cheap" shots at particular brands.   

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This should be interesting...

 

"Scootz," I can see that you're new here (welcome to the forum!).  You can rest assured that you'll get some opinions from those who indeed have first hand experience with Barska.  I myself owned one myself & I'm not even going to waste my time debating Barska's "quality" with you.

 

Regardless, if they work for you then that's great!  I have no problem with what you like but you are the exception, not the rule, when it comes to shooters who are pleased with the Barska product.

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Originally posted by Scootz Scootz wrote:

For starters, I am very new at posting on this forum but I have been coming on here a while after just recently getting back into rifles and optics.  That being said, I have had several Barska products for quite some time and have been very happy with them, they are a great product for the price and for someone who can't afford to buy a $800 scope to put on a $400 gun, they are great.  I have read some chatter on the forum about Barsak and much of it is positive but virtually all posts concerning Barska are met with extremley negative comments and reactions by 'cheaptrick'.  I am just curious as to why you/he has such sub-par opinions of Barska especially when it seems you have never owned a Barska product.  Please enlighten us/me becuase I don't think people come on here to read unsubstantiated "cheap" shots at particular brands.   



It is not just cheaptrick.  Most people who have used Barska that I've run into seem to be universally disgusted.   I have had a couple of Barska scopes and they were a waste of money.

What makes them look even worse is that these days, for not a lot of money you can get some very decent scopes.  By continuing to buy Barska/Leapers/BSA, etc products, you are basically telling them that it is OK to continue making crap.  There is no incentive for them to improve if you keep on buying their junk.

ILya

P.S.  Starting your participation on a forum with a personal attack on a very well respected forum meber is, perhaps, not the most endearing thing to do.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

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  By continuing to buy Barska/Leapers/BSA, etc products, you are basically telling them that it is OK to continue making crap. 

 

I couldn't have said it better myself!

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First let me say welcome to the forums.  A forum is a place where people can share their opinions and experiences.  So technically there is not right or wrong answer to a product review.  That being said, if the vast majority of fellow hunters or shooters on this forum have a collective view of a product, I'll bet that generally that view is pretty much correct and in agreement with my standards.

 

If Barska scopes work for you then great, and there is nothing wrong with giving the opinion based on your experience.  I do not own a Barska, nor a BSA or NCStar scope.  Of the ones that I have looked through I have not been impressed.  About the only "cheaper" scope that I could recommend is a Mueller.  Which is a very nice scope for the money.  But if I had to do it over again I would still have saved a bit longer and bought a Nikon or a Weaver.

 

The problem I have with cheep optics is that their level of perfomance is not up to my personal standards.  So for me any money spent on them is a waste since I could have saved a bit longer and got a much better product.  There are many fine scopes available to the shooter today that can be had for a very fair price and when you factor in the higher level of performance over the long hall they are quite the bargin.

 

 For others to chime in with their opinion that perhaps is different then yours is what makes the forums work and should not be taken as a personal attack.

 

On a side note I would rather have an $800 scope on a $400 gun then an $1100 gun with a $100 scope.

 

Once again welcome to the forums

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Originally posted by Scootz Scootz wrote:

I have read some chatter on the forum about Barsak and much of it is positive but virtually all posts concerning Barska are met with extremley negative comments and reactions by 'cheaptrick'.  I am just curious as to why you/he has such sub-par opinions of Barska especially when it seems you have never owned a Barska product.  Please enlighten us/me becuase I don't think people come on here to read unsubstantiated "cheap" shots at particular brands.   

 

Welcome to The OT!!!

 

I admittedly have never owned a Barska product, as you rightly pointed out.

The reason you knew that was because I have been very candid and forthright about the optics I have used and those I have not used.

(I have never had The Clap either, but I'm quite sure I don't want any.) 

 

I have got to see many differant weapons, optics, spotters, etc.   

I also saw a lot of Millet, Leapers, and Barska scopes fail!

The optics quality was terrible and those 3 brands were "usually" the culprits if I heard someone say, "Hey Dude, would you take a look at my scope? The cross hair thingy looks funny!!"

The wire reticle broke on a ton of these scopes.

 

Scootz wrote:

"I have read some chatter on the forum about Barsak and much of it is positive"

That's a flat out LIE!!

 

Koshkin and many others have jumped on and stamped out any "burning embers" of a positive response about Barska scopes, Partner!! 

Try again!!!

I believe it was about a Barska, (cough) SWAT scope, (cough) that koshkin used the term "Chi-Com Crap"   

 

As already stated, optics are a very subjective thing, Sir.

But, when the majority of this forum thumbs down an optic, you would be well served to keep looking. My opinion, not withstanding.

 

Iam flattered that you would single me out in this thread like you've done though.....

I love attention!!

 

Enough of me, what about you???

Tell us about why you LIKE Barska.

Do you have the SWAT scope???    Do ya????

 

As an aside, do you play with Air Soft guns??

 

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Quote

 

(I have never had The Clap either, but I'm quite sure I don't want any.) 

 

 

 

You just made me spit out my coffee!!!!!

 

Great quote to start the day!  Thank you for getting me off on the right foot!

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"(I have never had The Clap either, but I'm quite sure I don't want any.)  "

 

I didn't spit out my cheap Russian vodka. But it is more valuable advice from cheaptrick proving that he is more than an optics master.

I was also looking at Leapers because the airgun dealer I got my Webley Patriot from sells a lot of them. There was plenty of talk from the experts on this site that changed my mind. Sometimes what the "masters" around here say is"enough" said.

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Scootz wrote:

"I have read some chatter on the forum about Barsak and much of it is positive"

That's a flat out LIE!!

 

 

Agreed,the majority of the shooters on this site know to stay clear and away of Barrska.

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I agree...I once owned a barska 6.5-20 and I wouldn't put that scope on a BB gun...it was a waste of my money.  Didn't track well, glass wasn't clear, etc.  That's just my 2 cents.  Also the Search engine is your friend...do a search on Barska, and see what ya come up with....
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I may be a Barsak apologist but at least I'm not an optics elitist.  As for speaking out against a "well respected member of the forums", come on, the odds are in favor that most of you guys are gainfully employed and this is how you measure your status in society?  One more thing, just because cheaptrick and koshkin are optics bullies who "stamp out embers" of postive remarks on moderately pirced optics doesn't mean everyone subscribes to your thoughts.  Not everyone can afford a S&B or Kahles, so why do you have to go jumping on positive comments made by the huddled masses oin cheaper optics? 

 

I do own a SWAT scope and have been very happy with it.  I also own a pair of their top end binos which are quite clear...at least I can say I have more experience with the brand than just looking through some jag-offs scope at the range that he dropped out of his tree stand.

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Quoting Scootz "One more thing, just because cheaptrick and koshkin are optics bullies"

 

You might want to take a look at what Ilya Koshkin does for a living before making such statements.

The fact of the matter is many of us don't have access to the thousands of scopes in the market place. I for one am distrustful of most Chinese optics manufacturers. Being that they generally aren't ISO, lean manufacturing organizations that depend on data analysis to drive their business. What's more bothersome is that they are allowed to sell products here that are obvious look alikes to patented and trade marked to other established companies. Do a search on what Leupold had to do to buy there own name back from a Chinese company that had registered it in China. Be warned that these Leupold scopes are on eBay and are known to be junk.

That is great that you have had good luck with Barska. I will count you as one on this forum that has. I for one have not looked through a Barska nor a Leapers for that matter. But, by far, comments on this forum have been negative and as an internet shopper I will continue to depend on the established names here for opinions.

 

 

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Originally posted by Scootz Scootz wrote:

I may be a Barsak apologist but at least I'm not an optics elitist.  As for speaking out against a "well respected member of the forums", come on, the odds are in favor that most of you guys are gainfully employed and this is how you measure your status in society?  One more thing, just because cheaptrick and koshkin are optics bullies who "stamp out embers" of postive remarks on moderately pirced optics doesn't mean everyone subscribes to your thoughts.  Not everyone can afford a S&B or Kahles, so why do you have to go jumping on positive comments made by the huddled masses oin cheaper optics? 

 

I do own a SWAT scope and have been very happy with it.  I also own a pair of their top end binos which are quite clear...at least I can say I have more experience with the brand than just looking through some jag-offs scope at the range that he dropped out of his tree stand.



Just for the record, I do not own a single S&B or Kahles product.  Actually, I do not own any German/Austrian scope or binocular.  I have looked through enough of them for sufficiently extended periods of time to appreciate their quality.

Most of my scopes and binoculars are Japanese wih a few from other Asian rim countries.  The only European products I have are IORs, made in Romania.  I may be getting a Minox binocular in a little bit (made in Japan) and a Meopta riflescope (made in Czech Republic).

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Scootz please go the search engine and type in Barska, you will see that we are not

messing with you. The majority of shooters do not f**k with chinese made junk, we

are serious here about our equipment and the performance. Putting money and status

aside, performance is my concern along with alot of the people here. Trust me you can

get better for the price of the barska. Please spend some time reading all the great info

here at the OT.

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I recently ordered a red dot scope. A Barska scope was delivered. I
mounted it and tried to align the visible red dot with a boresight.
I didn't force anything but somehow the internal gears got stripped.
I would have been happy with the sight but because of this problem, the sight
is unusable. I bought another brand (cheaper), installed it and had
no problem. Rifle is now a pleasant plinker. Only 1 sample for me but
I am not in a hurry to buy more Barska. But most of everything is Chinese.

Steve
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All,

Scootz had demonstrated his optical IQ.  It is a waste of time to argue with an idiot.  I suggest we ignore him.

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Originally posted by Scootz Scootz wrote:

I may be a Barsak apologist but at least I'm not an optics elitist.  As for speaking out against a "well respected member of the forums", come on, the odds are in favor that most of you guys are gainfully employed and this is how you measure your status in society?  One more thing, just because cheaptrick and koshkin are optics bullies who "stamp out embers" of postive remarks on moderately pirced optics doesn't mean everyone subscribes to your thoughts.  Not everyone can afford a S&B or Kahles, so why do you have to go jumping on positive comments made by the huddled masses oin cheaper optics? 

 

I do own a SWAT scope and have been very happy with it.  I also own a pair of their top end binos which are quite clear...at least I can say I have more experience with the brand than just looking through some jag-offs scope at the range that he dropped out of his tree stand.

 

That's what I love about you guys that buy the latest whiz-bang SEAL/Recon/Ranger knock off gear.

Your perdictable..........

You lower the bar, then bitch when everyone doesn't like the new "standard".

 

Fact....

I have recommended FAR more Nikon Buckmasters, Monarchs, and Super Snipers than I ever did S&B or the other top shelf optics.

A 100 to 1.

 

Optics bully and elitest????

Right.........

 

Your really taking this thing far too personal, Partner.

Who cares what I think???

 

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Originally posted by Scootz Scootz wrote:

I may be a Barsak apologist but at least I'm not an optics elitist.  As for speaking out against a "well respected member of the forums", come on, the odds are in favor that most of you guys are gainfully employed and this is how you measure your status in society?  One more thing, just because cheaptrick and koshkin are optics bullies who "stamp out embers" of postive remarks on moderately pirced optics doesn't mean everyone subscribes to your thoughts.  Not everyone can afford a S&B or Kahles, so why do you have to go jumping on positive comments made by the huddled masses oin cheaper optics? 

 

I do own a SWAT scope and have been very happy with it.  I also own a pair of their top end binos which are quite clear...at least I can say I have more experience with the brand than just looking through some jag-offs scope at the range that he dropped out of his tree stand.

 

Hey, lighten up Francis...

 

Nobody has insulted YOU for your opinions regarding Barska.  However, you are insulting some respected members of this community on grounds that you can't prove.  A member's opinion is just that, AN OPINION!  Why take offense when a negative opinion regarding Barksa is offered?  Hey, that just means more Barska scopes for you as nobody else will feel compelled to buy them!!!

 

Why do I feel like I'm speaking to a wall???  Oh well, best of luck to you...

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Scootz, i'm just giving you my opinion on your subject and the comments that are in it.First, we are all here on this forum to gain knowledge about different optics correct?Now i am glad that you have had good luck with your barskas but mine was a p.o.s.But you made the comment that cheaptrick was a, optics bully. Now it seems to me that you are trying to force your will that barska scopes are the best? Now who's being a bully?

Cheaptrick,Koshkin,Ceylonc,these three guys have given me honest opinions and good advise.Also on another note my first thread on this forum was about whether i should save for a night force and it was cheaptrick that suggested buying a ss saving me about 900 bucks

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

That's what I love about you guys that buy the latest whiz-bang SEAL/Recon/Ranger knock off gear.

Your perdictable..........

You lower the bar, then bitch when everyone doesn't like the new "standard".

 

Fact....

I have recommended FAR more Nikon Buckmasters, Monarchs, and Super Snipers than I ever did S&B or the other top shelf optics.

A 100 to 1.

 

Optics bully and elitest????

Right.........

 

Your really taking this thing far too personal, Partner.

Who cares what I think???

 

 

Magazines that leave Italy ar generally very high quality, most of the optics made in china are low quality, Places like germany, and japan are known for their high quality optics. I can say that, in fact you can say anything that doesn't present a clear and present danger. I think it has something to do with life, liberty, and the persuit of happin... Oh sorry got carried away.

 

Cheaptrick may make fun of you for making poor decisions, but he's not going to outright insult you, and provoke hostility as you did. This is what keeps you from being exiled from clubs, forums ect.

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Scootz:

I have to disagree with your assessment of some well respected persons on this forum being "optic bullies" or "optics Snobs".  I see more people giving solid advice with regards to decent products that provide the best bang for your buck on this site.

 

I see far more suggestions for the Burris Fullfield, Nikon Buckmaster, Nikon Monarch, Weaver Grand Slam, Bushnell Elites  and Sightrons then I have ever seen for the top end stuff from Schmidt & Bender or Swarovski. There is a vast difference between an opics snob who has to spend over a $1000 for a scope and the average Joe who just wants a solid piece of equipment at a fair price. Finally,  there is stuff that is just junk.  If a 39.99 dollar scope works for you  great,  for me and most other people who are serious about shooting that wont cut it.

 

Now I actually have heard of a couple people who have been happy with the Baraska Swat scope, not on this forum but on another.  Great and it may well be a decent scope. However, the cheapest model I can find is $140 and the most expensive is around $250, sorry but that is not all that cheap. You could spend the same amount or a bit more and get much better scopes from companies who have very soild reputations of producing good quality optics.

 

I think if you take the time to read up on stuff and no be so personally defensive of a product, you will find many of the people on this forum are honest and try to give the best advice possible.

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Thanks for the nice things you all have said about me.

I've learned more here than I ever taught, that's for certain.

 

Scootz:

Lets start over.

Were a tight knit bunch here, as you can see. Lets drop this thread and be friendly.

 

This is the best forum on the net. I don't want to waste SWFA's bandwidth bitching about things that don't matter.

 

Out.........

 

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This is too good to miss.  During my military days I had the opportunity to use the best (Zeiss, Kahles, S&B, etc.)  Of course cost can make a difference.  The members of this forum are simply trying to help advise you on your best options.  As far as Barska scopes go, I have not had one, but I have several friends who, like me, are not wealthy.  They gave in to temptation and put Barska scopes on their rifles.  As we went to a silhouette match, they sighted in.  30 rounds from a 7mm magnum took care of this "economical" scope.  I can not vouch for the overall quality of Barska, but five months later one friend is still shooting with iron sights!  The point is in the collective experience here this could have been avoided.  If money matters, (for most of us it does), I would look at oriental optics at least from companies that manufacture optical equipment such as Nikon, Pentax, and others.  At least you will get a modicum of quality based on their reputation as camera manufacturers.  Eastern European companies have long been known to have quality control issues, a residual effect of long term communism.  I hate to sound like a shill for our sponsor but,... it's tough to beat the SS scopes for the money too!  Just remember, if you ask for an opinion here YOU JUST MIGHT GET ONE!
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well  i have fired about 400 rounds using a barska swat and not a problem so far the groups for a 5 shot are under a 1 inch at 100 yards ,even took the scope off the gun and did some trigger tuning , the scope was accurate when put back on no adjustments were needed , the best of all the scope was free the fools never billed me for it , im looking at it as a free evaluation of this scope lol ,  if the us state department would allow scopes to be shipped here to canada i would gladly buy a super sniper  till then ill use the barska ,,, 
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