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I have a Marlin 880SQ that's had a Simmons Pro-Air 4-12X40 on it for about 5 years now and it's ready for an up-grade.  I've tried to come to a decision on my own, but there are a couple scopes i'm not sure of and it's always nice to have others opinions.  My budget isn't very big and i'd like to keep the cost $250 or less.  I could go a little higher with persuasion, but don't really want to.  I almost always shoot sub-sonics out of it because I have several neighbors, but i've been doing more and more long range shooting (90-150yds) and would like a scope with a ballistic reticule of some sort and some more magnification.  I have a Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14X42 on my .22-250 with the BDC and love it; however, I don't want to spend that much on my next scope. 

My top four considerations as of now are a Muller 4-16X50 Tactical Mil-dot, a Hawke 4-16x50 Nite Eye SR with the SR6 reticule, a Burris Timberline 4.5-14X32, or a refurbished Buckmaster 4.5-14X40 BDC from competitor if they still have any in stock. 

The Hawke seems very interesting and according to the BAC software shooting subsonics at 14x sighted in at 50 yards should be nearly dead on every 10 yards past for each hash mark out to 120 yards and further than that if the power is decreased.  But I know you can never expect things like that to work perfectly.  I like the illuminated reticule, but have read that the lowest settings are pretty bright and that the green illumination has a negative effect on your night vision?  The reticule also seems fairy crowded as compared to a mil-dot or Nikon BDC.

I like everything about the Burris except for the smaller 32mm lense.  I do a lot a evening shooting and think that something bigger would allow more shooting time.  Out of all the reticules I think I like it the best. It isn't crowded, but offers several hash marks to help with hold-over. 

The Muller seems to have a lot of positive feedback about the clarity/value and has a bigger lense that would help with low light shooting.  The mil-dots would help with hold-over, but I'm not sure if the first dot is too low for compensating for the medium ranges like 65-70yds when sighted in at 50?  I know I could just go half way between or what not, but that's variable none the less. 

I have a Nikon ProStaff spotting scope that is incredibly clear and I know the Buckmasters are of similar quality.  I like the BDC reticle because it offers a few more aiming points than the Burris without the clutter of the Hawke, but I don't know if I want to buy a refurbished scope that only has a 90 day warranty.  Or maybe I could wait a little while longer and caugh up the extra $100 for a new one.  The rings I currently have on my rifle are Burris medium rimfire rings and if I get anything bigger than a 40mm objective i'll have to get new ones, so that's one plus for the Nikon.  Another possible issue of the Nikon is the 50yd min parallax.  I shoot a decent amount around 15-30 yards, but if the scope is clear enough around 6-8X at those distances it probably won't be a problem. 

I'm a 21yo in school with a min wage job so I don't want to waste my money.  I know it pays off in the end to pay for quality, and can put off the scope to do so, but i'd like to get it here soon to enjoy it duing my summer break.  Thanks for taking the time to read this and all input is greatly appreciated.

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BSA Sweet .22 scope would be my choice for what you describe, or any other $100 scope with balistic or mill dot/BDC type reticle. You will need to learn how to use the magnification, reticle, and settings for each distance anyway.
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SS 6X.  It will have the internal adjustment to dial in your shots as long as you can range decently
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BDC reticle are cool but if you use a free ballistic calculator:
then I would use  mildot scope.
This is good scope, has adjustbale knobs and mildot. It has a fixed parralax but that can be overcame by position your head in the same position every time.
 
This has mildot, great knobs, (resetablle to zero, and highly repeatable) parralax adjustment down to 10 yards. This would be my choice, since I have one on my 22.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P499.aspx
 
This might be more of what you are looking for, AO, target knobs, illuminated reticle.
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-16x50-Crossfire-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P13296.aspx
 
I had a Burris Timberline, it was a fair scope but the 32mm objective did not do good unless it was very bright out side.
 
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I'm not really interested in using knobs for this rifle because a lot of my shots need to be made quickly and vary in distances from 15-120 yards.  I'm looking more for a scope with a ballistic reticule of some sort and at least 14x magnification.  I also want something of a little higher quality that will last me a long time.  Leaning more towards the Nikon right now. 

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http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-P42256.aspx
This may be what your looking for.
 
I had this scope (w/ Nikoplex) and loved it. This unit has the BDC reticle, which I found to be useful.
 
Here's a modest review of the BDC reticle in action on a Monarch.
 
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You can use a  mildot for a ballistic reticle. I doubt you be able to find a factory reticle for subsonic ammo. Unless you go to Leupold an have a custom one made. 
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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

You can use a  mildot for a ballistic reticle. I doubt you be able to find a factory reticle for subsonic ammo. Unless you go to Leupold an have a custom one made. 
 
That would not be a bad option either. I almost did that, but changed my mind, because i shoot different types of ammo too often and it would have been confusing.
The custom reticle is not all that expensive, but the scopes that it goes into are pricey. 
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My 300 Whisper (sub sonic) wears an IOR 2.5-10 FFP, works great.
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