Bad Super Sniper box test!!!

A little while ago I posted a coment about my scope MOA being possibly off. So I did a simple 15MOA box test at 100Y....guess what it was garbage. I should have gotten a 15" sguare box w/ 5 holes in each corner ( or a group anyway), but I had right at a 17" box consistantly. Every adjustment put the point of impact almost 2" off where it should have been. Please tell me there is a warranty on these scopes so I can send it in and rectify this problem. With results like this I might as well use kentucky windage...at 600Y moa value is double! What the hell!!!!!

Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - August/25/2009 at 21:33

Was the box square?

sniper13 wrote: A little while ago I posted a coment about my scope MOA being possibly off. So I did a simple 15MOA box test at 100Y....guess what it was garbage. I should have gotten a 15" sguare box w/ 5 holes in each corner ( or a group anyway), but I had right at a 17" box consistantly. Every adjustment put the point of impact almost 2" off where it should have been. Please tell me there is a warranty on these scopes so I can send it in and rectify this problem. With results like this I might as well use kentucky windage...at 600Y moa value is double! What the hell!!!!!

Edited by RONK - August/10/2009 at 14:38

Did your rounds group, just in the wrong place?

And, if I recall, you were 6 inches out at 600 yards and are now 2 inches out at 100 yards, is that correct?

Do you, by any chance, have a picture of the target?

There is a great warranty on the scope, if there is a problem, SWFA will make it right.

 Well, in another thread in the reloading forum, he mentioned getting consistent 1/2 minute groups, so I'm thinking he shot well at 100 yards, but with wind and mirage probably not so well at 600.

1 MOA = 1.047" at 100 yards.

If you dial in 15moa, that's 15 x 1.047 = 15.705"

Given that, you are not 2" off, but 1.3"

Be sure that you are measuring from the center of the groups. MOA box test measured in inches at 100 yards will always print groups further in all corners/directions. Hence, a bigger box because MOA is not exactly 1"

One last factor, you 100% sure it's exactly 100 yards? Not 105, or maybe a 100 meters? Most ranges are not exact.

MOA difference plus small shooting at slightly over 100 yards can equate to the 1.3" difference in overall box size you are experiencing.

If you're measuring the groups correctly, and are at a proven 100 yards, then I'd say the scope is not tracking correctly. That said, when scopes fail to track correctly, they usually give erratic results. Not enlarged, but consistent results like yours.

I think the bigger picture is he has a scope that doesn't track as it should.  It may or may not be "a huge deal" to him or prospective buyers.  My SS20x did not track accurately either, but it was consistent.  THat's why I'd like to know if it made a square box or not.  I could live with adjustments that were not according to the graduations but an out of square box is bad juju.  I no longer own a SS.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16501

Edited by RONK - August/10/2009 at 15:49

Good reading RONK.  Mine had larger than 1/4moa clicks as well.  It's been a while....I don't remember how far off it was.  I may dig out those old box tests later.

 My review would have been better if I had measured it up right away and posted the results in the original thread. At the time, I was only concerned with it returning to the original zero after a long trip around the drafting paper sheet, which it did splendidly; actually punching out the push-pin aiming point with the second or third shot of the very last five-shot group.

OK...let me clear up all the details...the box is perfectly square, it had 17 inch sides which means it is 2 moa off of a 15 moa test, my biggest group is approx 3/8" so the measurements are pretty well on.......@ 600 I had to cut the moa in half to put it where I wanted it to go, this is an approximate, though this is irrelevent the fact is it isnt right....their wasnt any wind to speak of and sure wasnt any mirage.... the two groups that showed me this were right at 4".  However I contacted SWFA and explained this to a tech. and no questions asked he said send it in and we will exchange it for a new one ( now that is a stand up company!!!). So my problem is solved, but I still dont understand why it was doing this, I really dont understand the internal makeup of optics.....if any one can explain this to me, please feel free...THANKS

OH....and when 1 shot matters....this is very important I think...it is definately the difference in a kill and a miss at 600 or farther.

sniper13 wrote: OH....and when 1 shot matters....this is very important I think...it is definately the difference in a kill and a miss at 600 or farther.

I agree.  If anything, this punctuates the need to know where your bullet is going, not just zero at 100 yards and run a ballistics program and think that it says 11 clicks for 300 so it is 11 clicks to dead-nutz at 300.

Never take a shot on game that you do not have a zero on for that load, that scope, and that rifle (in similar conditions.)  Anything else is asking for trouble and, at long range, is poor hunting ethics.

As I said previously, Chris will stand behind his stuff.  Let us know how the next one tracks.

I definately will Rancid I think we will be ok....like I said they definately took care of me and this situation.  

sniper13 wrote: OK...let me clear up all the details...the box is perfectly square, it had 17 inch sides which means it is 2 moa off of a 15 moa test, my biggest group is approx 3/8" so the measurements are pretty well on.......@ 600 I had to cut the moa in half to put it where I wanted it to go, this is an approximate, though this is irrelevent the fact is it isnt right....their wasnt any wind to speak of and sure wasnt any mirage.... the two groups that showed me this were right at 4".  However I contacted SWFA and explained this to a tech. and no questions asked he said send it in and we will exchange it for a new one ( now that is a stand up company!!!). So my problem is solved, but I still dont understand why it was doing this, I really dont understand the internal makeup of optics.....if any one can explain this to me, please feel free...THANKS

Are you feeling or audibly hearing the clicks? The turret set screws are snugged?
Sorry if this was asked already, I'm on a blackberry.

I would really, really, really love to put this particular scope on one of my rifles for a weekend.

Yes it is 600y flat ground measured with a wheel...and no it does not make sense that is my point, Ronk I wish you could explain this to me....mike I would love to have sent it to ya but already sent to swfa for return.

OH...cheap it is clickin audibly and I feel it...I just dont understand...

Sending the scope to SWFA won't keep Mr. Mike's hands off it, I assure you.

sh*t,I wish I could put Mike on my rifle! Or have at least tell me what I am doing wrong!

Mike McDonald wrote: I would really, really, really love to put this particular scope on one of my rifles for a weekend.

I wish I could see good enough to hit within 2" at 600 yds. Much less shoot that good. This is all far above my current ability.

Being new to this forum and not wanting to overstep my current bounds, I do want to say, I agree with 3_tens.  I hope to be able to shoot that well some day.  I think Iam going to try and shoot a box this weekend and test my gained knowledge from this discussion.  I have a SS 16x and Iam interested in seeing what it will do. This is good stuff!

Ok, I do have one question and please excuse me if it has been asked before.