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It seems for the most part with scopes these days you get what you pay for and most of the mid to upper level scopes are considered to be pretty good optically, mechanically, etc... Is there any scopes in the mid to high end range that you would say are a bad scope? Let say mid to high end is $250+
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While there are occasionally problems with scopes from all ends of the pricing scale, I think this forum is best served by positive experiences and suggestions.  I think we can come to the same conclusion without bashing manufactures by looking at the what scopes are positively reviewed and suggested.  Personal experience trumps heresy every time.  
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Counter Sniper comes to mind.  Bucky
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Good point!, I stand corrected.

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I have to agree with LT's first statement, no need to start a bashing thread.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

While there are occasionally problems with scopes from all ends of the pricing scale, I think this forum is best served by positive experiences and suggestions.  I think we can come to the same conclusion without bashing manufactures by looking at the what scopes are positively reviewed and suggested.  Personal experience trumps heresy every time.  
 
I guess the idea behind posting this thread is that a lot of the differnces between good scopes is nothing more then personal preference. The reason I come on this board and others like it for various differnt subjects is to make sure I dont get a bad product.
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I have bought quite a few scopes over the years.  All the way from $50 to $1800 scopes.  In my experience, a $300 is a $300 scope.  It really does not matter that much what brand you buy, all the scopes in that given price range are going to perform comparable.  Sure 1 brand may offer 1 or 2  things that makes it a little more desirable to one person, but may not mean anything to another. 

Take the Bushnell 4200 line, Vortex Viper line, Sightron S2 line, Nikon Monoarch line.  They all have scopes that are priced comparable and honestly having had most of those brands they all performed very comparable as well.  But then throw in the Zeiss Conquest line and for a little more money you can have all the good things those others have with a little better glass. 

Obviously there are exceptions to this.  And I am sure he was just wondering about those exceptions.  Personally I thought it was a good question.   That is why I mentioned Counter Sniper Line.  They are mid priced scopes, but perform along side scopes in the $50 to $100 range.

Then you have scopes like the SWFA SS line, that are comparable with scopes that cost much more. 


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MOST of the time  you get what you pay for.  Occationally you will get some killer deals.  The fact is the marketplace changes so often in this industry the best bang for your buck product changes too.  Just like Vortex with the Vipers, arguable a steal when they discontinued them and discounted them.  Again the reason I say most of the time is because such companies exist like countersniper who are only out to rip of joe blow and put out crap.
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Wonder what a $400 Barska compares to.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Counter Sniper comes to mind.  Bucky
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I see Mid to high end as more like $750 because at $250 you are just getting into scopes that you can expect to be reliable and by the time you get past that they better have some type of feature that helps you to make better use of them either a balistic reticle or special power range or tactical knobs or better glass something to help you.  Granted you can find scopes under $250 that will do the job most of the time but there is a huge difference between a $250 scope and a $750 scope and a huge difference between a $750 scope and a $1500+ scope.  How much better they are for your particular use is something you have to decide for yourself. I will say that there is often a huge diffference between scopes under $750 that may only be $50 or $100 difference in price where the increases in quality over that mark may be that you only get sometihng just a little better for a lot more money but it depends on how much you need that increase in performance. It's kind of like high performance car engines they may all be capeable of forward motion but the more you put into it the better and more reliable it becomes.
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The reason I set the price at 250+ is simply becasue I expect a $100 scope to be complete junk. If I'm spending $200 I expect the scope to be quality and work just great for any hunting application. Maybe I cant count the whiskers on a whitetail at 400 yards with it but to me a scope is pretty much an aiming device for both short and long range.  I like to have what the average Joe would consider good stuff when it comes to hunting or fishing gear but quite frankly I could ever see myself spending more then $400-$500 on a scope. I have a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9 right now and consider it to be pretty good other then the fact I dont like that they dont offer something in the 1.5-6 range which I have discovered is the perfect magnification range for the type of hunting I do.
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Well then I would jump on one of these while you got the chance.  I just got one and it looks to be a dandy scope.  http://swfa.com/Burris-15-6x40-Euro-Diamond-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P2984.aspx
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I actually have one on hold. Will be ordering in the coming weeks. To me this would be considered "high end". I have a question in regards to that piticular scope. Do you feel the Burris Euro Diamond is a great $550 scope that at its current price is an absolute steal or do you feel that it was maybe just overpriced at $550 and a fair deal at $299?
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Originally posted by BigGameBalls BigGameBalls wrote:

I have a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9 right now and consider it to be pretty good other then the fact I dont like that they dont offer something in the 1.5-6 range which I have discovered is the perfect magnification range for the type of hunting I do.

They do.  Its called the slughunter 1.65-5x36.  Its just got a longer eye relief and a slightly shorter parallax.  There is also the Monarch African 1-4x20 which has better glass than the Buckmaster but is about $60 more than the Buckmaster.

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I have not really had the chance to use it other than looking through it out my back door.  The glass looks good but that is my only opinion.  IT is not as good as my Swaro, but I would not expect it to be.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I have bought quite a few scopes over the years.  All the way from $50 to $1800 scopes.  In my experience, a $300 is a $300 scope.  It really does not matter that much what brand you buy, all the scopes in that given price range are going to perform comparable.  Sure 1 brand may offer 1 or 2  things that makes it a little more desirable to one person, but may not mean anything to another. 

Take the Bushnell 4200 line, Vortex Viper line, Sightron S2 line, Nikon Monoarch line.  They all have scopes that are priced comparable and honestly having had most of those brands they all performed very comparable as well.  But then throw in the Zeiss Conquest line and for a little more money you can have all the good things those others have with a little better glass. 

Obviously there are exceptions to this.  And I am sure he was just wondering about those exceptions.  Personally I thought it was a good question.   That is why I mentioned Counter Sniper Line.  They are mid priced scopes, but perform along side scopes in the $50 to $100 range.

Then you have scopes like the SWFA SS line, that are comparable with scopes that cost much more. 
I thought the exact same thing! Lol I think the thread is useful. Counter Sniper is #1 in my mind.
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I honestly dont know if my eyes will be able to tell the differrence other then the scopes ability to gather light in low light. My eyes are piss poor and I just go through life dealing with it becasue it doesn't really bother me.
 
JimfromTN: I believe that Nikon slug hunter has a horrible FOV which is really what I'm after with low magnification. I dont like straight tube scopes and would like to have a little more the 4x on the high end so that rules out the Aftrican.
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By the way I would like to say a good thing about the buckmaster. This year I honeslty dropped my rifle out of my tree stand from 15 feet in the air. I figured the scope was going to be junk. Shot it and the point of impact hadn't shifted more then 1/2" at 100 if at all.
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I just ordered 2 Viper 2-7X32.  Now I'm thinking I shoulda gone with the 1.2-6X40 Euro.
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I haven't looked through either but I counted out the Viper becasue I wanted a German #4 retical and I wanted a wider FOV then it offers at 2x.
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One brand I don't think is worth the money anymore is L...... .
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I have had a couple of VX-I's and I don't think they are worth the money. The glass has been pretty lousy imo compared to other similar priced scopes, as well as both of them having to be sent in for repair. One of them had to go in twice in the 4 years I've owned it.

I also had a VX-II and it wasn't impressive glass wise either for the price, but I sold it without ever mounting it.

I think this post is a good idea, because I don't want to be stuck buying crap just because someone doesn't want to talk bad about that company.


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Obviously I'm pretty new here but I see that as making me really qualified to chime in on this.  One of the things I liked best about this forum (next to the quick responses) was that I got feedback about good choices in my price range and great choices that were now in my price range due to closeouts.  Initially I was seriously looking at a Nikon Prostaff.  It was in my price range and in a matter of a couple of weeks it was down from a $150-$170 scope on sale to $100 killer deal.  This seemed like a good idea for a lifetime guarantee.  Then I got great feedback on the Viper, was led to answer some questions to myself honestly about the how I would use it, and went from a 3x9 to a 2x7.  Point being, I didn't have to ask about bad scopes because only the good scopes that people have good experiences with came up.  The Bushnell name came up as having some good scopes until I read some history posts and discovered that they were good but the customer service could be a little difficult at times.  I ruled them out right away as I didn't want to have to go rounds with a customer service person as to whether the problem was my fault.  I take darn good care of my stuff so if something happens, it's a freak thing or a problem with the product.  I wouldn't expect anyone to stand behind a bone head move like backing over it with an atv or suv.  But having it slide off the side of a tree or bumped off a tailgate is a little different.  If I can get coverage for stuff like that, and it sounds like Vortex does, then I'm feeling pretty good.  So, do we need to bash scopes?  Probably not.  But honest, straight-forward answers are expected, and if that answer reveals a poorly designed product, so be it.
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    Great post bluejay.
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In the last 15 years and over 40 scopes owned, I've only had to send one scope in.  It was a Nikon Monarch UCC, the scope didn't actually fail, but the turrents became ultra difficult to adjust.  The scope was fixed and was used for an additional 4 years until it was sold to a friend where it remains in service.
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