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If you don't see the difference then don't pay for the difference. But I would have to ask what were the conditions when you were comparing them. Was it indoors, outdoors, what were the lighting conditions and what were you looking at? Also are you expecting too much? Just because one costs twice as much doesn't mean that they are twice as good.
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The deciding factor for binos is the same as it is for rifle scopes: intended use.  On a sunny day of casual birding, you might notice no difference.  In dense woods with lots of shadow, low light, and hours on glass, you really start to see how optics differ.

As Sparky said, if you see no difference for your uses, awesome; but others using the optic under different circumstances might see things differently, literally.

I get the same question often on AR15s: why pay $3,000 for one when you can pay $800 for almost the exact same thing.  This is somewhat true.  And if you will be shooting 100 rounds/year, you'll see little difference.  If you ever put 2,000 rounds through both in a day, the differences become obvious really quick.

No one is saying you aren't seeing what you are seeing, we are simply pointing out that circumstances of use (and abuse) often make differences more obvious.
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Originally posted by wranglerdog wranglerdog wrote:

I was on a site on face book that seamed like there were just a bunch of hipecrits on every time you made a post you were attacked by a bunh of bored pepole that have nothing to do but cridesize and act stupid . well it was easy to get away from it ha ha you guys enjoy yourselves I'm out of here .

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I don't think you are giving the gentleman's comment the appropriate commentary response… It deserves much more considered, resolute and unambiguous commentary. 

However, this IS a family forum and the appropriate commentary is frowned upon...
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  it was outdoors and we did a side by side overcast day. and to be honest the guy who had the swaros thought the zen rays were as good just as bright just as wide field off view. and the swaros were 3 times as much as the zen rays. but I would say if they was better to my eyes I could not see a difference in them conditionsBig Smile
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Originally posted by verminator verminator wrote:


 thought the zen rays were as good just as bright just as wide field off view.


There is a lot more to it than brightness and FOV. But like I said earlier if you can't see the difference don't pay for the difference.

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They say...compared to " PA "..........what the heck does that stand for ?
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yep there is more to it than brightness and F.O.V  accepted but both the sets off binos were not mine so I only had a brief look for  5 mins but first impressions were what iv'e already stated...maybe sparky can do a side by side and enlighten us all and tell us exactly why he thinks the swaro's are worth 3 times as muchYippee
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PA=Primary Arms?
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I went and visited Athlon at SHOT.  They look like they got a well defined product line put together and the reticle designs look fairly intelligent at first blush.

I'll be looking at a couple of their products.  The higher end stuff is Japanese (Cronus), the rest is Chinese.  Some of the Chinese products are made by the same OEM as PA, but with Athlon's reticles.

I'll let you know what I think once I spend some time with these.

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I stumbled across this brand a few days ago in a search and this is one place I usually find valuable information. Ilya I value your opinion and enjoy your reviews and the following statements have nothing to do with you. But I can say the way a certain "wrangler" was treated was a bit harsh. It was obvious from grammer, usage of punctuation, and sentence structure he was putting forth his best efforts. There is certainly no need to jump on anyone. This is an informational forum, correct? If there were questions about shooting conditions, he simply could have been asked.
   Moving on, These scopes have gotten good marks from all reviews I have seen so far. From tracking, reticle accuracy, clarity, to overall build quality, these scopes are looking like a "win". I am planning on calling the hq tomorrow to see about visiting them (I only live an hour from Lenexa KS.)
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Thanks five shot dot if you.go to Athlon ask for Kevin .
I hope you do and find there products to be better than I tried to explain them one thing I don't do is blow sunshine about hunting and or shooting optics .
Oh I have a new phone and the spell check is crazy .. lol have a good night
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Granted, Jeff was a little quick to pounce on Wranglerdog however in his defense I will say that he was set off by the vagueness and touchy feely type desciptions.  We are forever fielding such posts and they are often generated by the inexperienced and somewhat naive.  Most of the regulars here are either professionally involved in optics / shooting arena and or avid sportsmen.  Many are here to both share with others and learn from others...  

With that being said, it's no leap that when someone comes in touting something new that we are:

1) immediately interested in whats new.

2) immediately skeptical of most all of those items claims.

3) annoyed by non quantitative and objective propaganda spouted in excitement or purposeful mis-direction.

That last one gets most of us members at one time or another.....  

The brainiacs of this forum love talking technical details and such. So when someone starts off with touchy feely descriptions and statements of "compares equally to Alpha Glass 3 times at 3 times the  cost" without technical data to back it up it instantly grates.....

This is a 'MARS Expedition" type site.....  Making / posting Venus type statements are bound to stir someone's pot....    Just saying!


Anyway please don't take it personally, we are always interested in new products and technology.
Most of us here,  with an analytical mindset might have a tendency to be short when time after time most all the Touchy feely claims are unsubstantiated or proven to be false over time....

So it's probably best to leave the "Touchy Feely" type discussion at home with your wife...
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I agree.

So what conclusion have we arrived at on the scopes?
Their top tier seem to be pretty nice, but at their higher price point, several other top brands come into the picture.

All the other scopes they make are Chinese. I'd rather not spend $3-400 on a Chinese made scope. Phillipines I wouldn't hesitate and own several Phil made scopes. Excellent quality and glass in my experience.
I've never had good fortune with Chinese made scopes. I've tried Hawke, Falcon ands few other "upper tier" CH made scopes. Tracking has always been off a bit and the glass on both is quite hazey at higher mags.
This was about 4 years ago, so unless the QC has come up severely, I'll stay away from the Chinese made scopes.
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OT is a hot range. If you make statements, your gonna have to back it up to some degree.

As Bud alluded to, we've had our fair share of spooks come through here proclaiming the virtues of some new company.

Carry on.
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I spoke with Trent today at Athlon and got some insight on a few things. He and the owner both came from another "elite" scope manufacturing company. Their top tier scopes use the same glass as other "elite" scopes on the market. (Or that is what I understood) they are planning on Offering 2 spotting scopes in the argos line with reticles next year . BTR is a designatiin for illuminated reticle. Their midas btr series is meant to compete with the pst and leupy mk4?(don't quote me on that one). They plan on putting out a lower magnification ffp cronus in the near future as well.
As of now this is all the information I can recall. I left my notes in my shop at work. I will also be taking a trip to their facility in the coming week amd will check back in here. A friend and myself will be checking on becoming dealers if we like what we see.
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It's always good to have another quality scope manufacturer to choose from.

I hope they turn out to have the right mindset and drive to put out quality affordable optics...
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FWIW, it doesn't appear many dealers are knocking their doors down to buy their scopes. I just googled dealers within 500 miles and not one appeared.

Maybe it's to early in the game to tell, maybe they will be OK.
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Question is will they just re-spin the Elites they are familiar with or will they break some new ground...

If re-spun elites are all they will do I don't expect them to last long at all.

Secondly, Only their top o line is Japanese, all the rest are Chinese.  This doesn't gmake me warm and fuzzy...     China can put out decent optics but the QC policing required kills the cost savings for OEM...
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I as well hope they succeed in ther endeavors.
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Newbie here!

I pulled the trigger on a Talos 4-14X44 ffp.  Mainly a hunter and don’t own any high end scopes. This scope will be mounted on my new SWFA/Seekins .223 wylde AR15 varmint gun.  Will be compared to a couple of Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 VMR-1 MRAD FFP Reticle.  One is mounted on a Savage model 12VLP .308, the other custom savage model 12VLP 6mm AI Brux bull barrel. 

I know there is a lot of skepticism about Athlon and their Chinese product scopes.  I was on a budget and the other options in no particular order. Falcon Menace, Primary Arms, Burris.  Not kidding myself, usually tend to get what you pay for.  Out of all I mentioned and a few others I didn’t.  This scope just seemed to fit my intended purpose with a budget in place.  All in all it would make a very nice scope for my 10/22. Will let you know what I think within the next week or so! Solute!          

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Welcome to the OT 2948!!! Howdy


We'd definitely be interested in any detailed review! 
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