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There are two scope articles in the Jan/Feb Rifle Shooter mag that are worth a read; one is good and the other bad.  This first, by Wayne van Zwoll is about not needing more than 9X on a big game rifle, keeping that scope set on 3X or 4X, and why anything less than 2.5X is pretty worthless  Thunbs%20Up.   Excellent The second, on dangerous game rifle scopes by Terry Wieland, has some pretty good stuff in it, but he doesn't test the durability of any of the scopes he mentions.  Where he really blows it is in saying any of the scopes mentioned (10 low power variables and one 2.5X fixed) would be fine on a .458 Lott.  Now that's a crock.  Leupold has a .458 Lott that they use for durability testing.  They are on record as saying that they can't build a variable that can hold up to the Lott's recoil velocity, and that they don't believe anybody else can, either. 
 
Don't believe everything you read. Whacko  I'm just glad I don't need anything that kicks that hard.
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amen to that
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that strange because one of the options on the 500 Lott is a scout set up using a 2x leo pistol scope.
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It's just variables that can't stand the Lott..  Even cheaper fixed power scopes seem to be OK.  Is there a message there for us?

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oh ya, know that I read it closer duh. was just looking at one of these in Prestige Firearms in SLC last week just for fun, built on a Enfield action what a hunk $5k scope is thrown in.
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Haven't been able to find the article yet but interested in why Wayne would have said anything below 2.5X is pretty worthless.  For those of us who hunt heavy hardwoods/coniferous forest,  magnification is usually at the low end of what we need.  For old eyes that have trouble focusing rear sight- front sight in the target plane a zero mag or very low mag optic is usually what works best.
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I hunt thickets and have older eyes.  His point was that anything below 2.5X doesn't add anything to your ability to get a quick sight picture up close, and I've found that to be true.  His other point was that below 2.5x you're looking at your front sight or muzzle and that's very distracting.  I've also found that to be true.  I've had several scopes that went down to 1.5X or 1.75X and I didn't use them below about 2.5X.  The closest I've ever shot a deer is 3yds.  At 3X it was a little difficult, but I don't expect I'll ever shoot another one that close.  I've shot deer at 20 yds with a 6X fixed scope, and it worked just fine.
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shooting a deer at 20yds is a lot different from shooting an elephant at 20yds
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I disagree- 1x4 scopes have become more popular than ever, uso is even bringing one out in 1x6- the ability to have both eyes open without a larger sight picture in one is a decided advantage. it gnores hunters who uses large handguns on all types of game and those who use the range in 3 gun match (which account for alot more shooting than dangerous animal hunters). 1.5 scopes are made so the inside of the tube isn't visible on 1 power.
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i wouldnt want a 6x for shooting dangerous game myself
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I do not have a whole lot of experience in short range hunting, so my opinion does not have a whole lot of weight on this one.  However, I am not sure I agree with the statement that scopes with power lower than 3x are useless.  Just about any low power sight is going to be faster than iron sights, simply because there is no need to superimpose three image plains.  That's the idea behind 1x scopes and red dots.  As for the front sight/barrel tip visible in the field of view, that should not be a problem if the reticle is bold enough.  If the reticle is designed in such a way that it naturally draws the eye to the POA, when an opportunity for a fast shot presents itself, you won't pay any attention to the front sight in the bottom of the field of view.

Then again, I could be wrong.

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i know if i am doing a drive type hunt i want either 3x or lower and mybe even opt for iron sights or a red dot sight myself time is the essence in those situations where it can mean life or death of yourself i dont want a 6x to try and find a moving target
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Agree with Dale.  Leave my scope at 1.75 when walking.  Always shoot both eyes open and while he's right about seeing part of front sight it is blurred and doesn't distract me.  Don't remember it taking time to get used to so maybe I'm just lucky.  Do a lot of shooting at running deer target in the off season so could have just got used to it.  Find it does help me with sight picture - everythings in focus now.
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 I can't tell any difference shooting at 1.5X or 2.5X except the front sight isn't seen.  Target acquisition is just as fast for me, but I can't shoot with both eyes open (right handed and left eyedSad).  The difference in magnification isn't noticeable to me.

There's an interesting picture with the article on DGR scopes, comparing a Swaro Z6 1-6 and a Leupold FX II 2.5X.  The Swaro looks 3 times as big and is twice the weight.  That's probably more significant on a DGR than anything else.
I think we just like the extremes.  There's a lot of people out there shooting deer at 100 yds with their scope at 15X.  Shooting up close with a 1X makes a lot more sense that thatWink
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i agree with you 100%, i stay with the good old 3x9's myself because that way at 9x im only going to take a shot so far away, say 300yds at 9x a coyote isnt a big target on 9x. but you take that same coyote at 15yds on 6x and you cant see anything but hair which isnt good, 3-4x is usually good enough even on close shots 25 yds and in, but if it was life or death iron sights or a red dot like i said earlier
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I love the 2 power setting of my z6 2-12x50 scope. Setting on 2 while breaking brush for deer or sitting in the tree hunting pig with a downward shot in the evening it's great. Sure I can see small blurry image of barrel in my garage but where it counts focusing on the game before me, forgetaboutit. The higher magnification is cool when placing neck shots, etc. 

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The last big bruin I shot, the scope came off when I went into the cedars after him. Sure the gun has a 1.5-5 Leo, none the less, I'll take picking up the front sight any day. If I was faster with glass I would be using it on my bird guns.
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speaking of which, do you remember the old weaver quick point for shotguns? How did your scope come off? loose mt ?
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probably quick detach dale, im just guessing though
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held in by the trigger group cross pins as in 870, etc. sight was about 4 in above the bore line.
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i was talking about tahquas scope dale
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had about a 20 m0a dot, had a mirror reflex as I recall, and one super imposed the dot with the right eye over the target in the left eye.  where trijicon got its original idea from.

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M700 with Talley QD's, no problem
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what a guess
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 oh sorry original topic had gotten of the track so far figured anything was game ---you got lucky!!!!
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