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Has anyone ever used and had any success with the Armson O.E.G sight? I mounted one on my MINI-14 but could never get it to maintain zero. I suspect the cause is not the sight itself but due to the fact that I'm not firing the gun immediately after placing the red dot on target. The instructions that come with the sight say that you must fire the gun immediately after acquiring the target. I'm guessing that if you don't, the dot will drift. I can put the rifle in a bench vise and align the dot with a target but the longer I look the dot will drift off of the target. Does anyone have an explanation for this other than the one I previously guessed, i.e, you must fire immediately after target acquisition?  
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You have it more or less right - If you stop and THINK - your brain realises it's being tricked. I have the same experience.
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[QUOTE=Chris(madrid)]You have it more or less right - If you stop and THINK - your brain realises it's being tricked. I have the same experience.

 

Chris,

 

Thanks for the input. It's beyond me why this site is still seriously sold for life and death situations, i.e., military and police as well as civilian.     

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Originally posted by valleypine valleypine wrote:

[QUOTE=Chris(madrid)]You have it more or less right - If you stop and THINK - your brain realises it's being tricked. I have the same experience.

 

Chris,

 

Thanks for the input. It's beyond me why this site is still seriously sold for life and death situations, i.e., military and police as well as civilian.     

Well because it does work quite well in rapid response situations - I fitted one to a mates PAINTBALL gun - His "kill" rate went up. It's also CHEAP and if it's going to get severe knocking about - why not. But no, it's not an ACOG. Be good on tactical shotguns!
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What kind of mounts and rings are you using?

 

If they are poor quality mounts this could keep it from holding zero.

 

If you are still having problems with it, give Trijicon a call and they may know what is wrong with it.

 

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Stephanie,

 

Thanks for the input, but it's not the mount. I lay the sight on a level surface and align the red dot with a target. Without moving the sight, the red dot shifts on it's own.

 

I called Trijicon about a year ago and explained the problem to them because the company Armson USA I purchased it from had no clue as to the problem. They were just salesman there. Trijicon said it was caused by slippage within the sight and if I sent it to Trijicon they would fix it for free. This didn't make sense to me. Why would Trijicon fix the sight for free when I didn't purchase it from them? And why would the red dot shift due to internal slippage when the sight was stationary? I also asked Trijicon why the instructions said you had to fire immediately when the sight was on target. The answer I got from them was that the instructions probably said that because the longer you hold on target the more the chance the dot would wander off target due to your own fatigue. I didn't buy this answer either. In the end, I never sent the sight to Trijicon because they didn't appear to have any credibility to me.    

 

 

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Originally posted by valleypine valleypine wrote:

 In the end, I never sent the sight to Trijicon because they didn't appear to have any credibility to me. 
Delicately put!  - I've been using SINGLEPOINTS ( the original OEG?) for over 20 years - and all OEGS do this. It's due to the fact that they rely on a form of optical illusion to work.

 

THEY ARE ONLY REALLY ANY USE OUT TO 50M and on LARGISH targets - That said I have a friend in the UK using one to hunt varmints with on an airgun - but he aims and shoots FAST.

 

One advantage is that you need no line of sight on the scope eye - so you can fit one behind an Infrared laser on the same rail. NV-GEN2/3 on the left eye - flip it up and use the OEG until it's too dark - flip it down and laser in the dark.

 

The Armson imo has a slight advantage over the OLD series one SINGLEPOINT I have in that it is TRITIUM LIT. The S1-Singlepoint is STAINLESS STEEL which is a big plus though.

 

ARMSON was based in the UK though traded in USD. Had a series of chats with the CEO a couple of years back and was even investigating the design of a different reticle pattern.

 

BUT http://www.armsonltd.co.uk/ shows it's now in the hands of http://armson1.site.yahoo.net/

 

Happy reading

 

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Chris,

 

Thanks for the input on the Armson. The sad fact is that I paid $200 for the Armson OEG, which for my purposes is a worthless sight. Why would anyone want to be limited to having to fire your shot immediately with the OEG when you have none of this limitation on a reflex sight? For another $100 you can get yourself an Aimpoint Comp C (which I did).

 

I did like the compactness, simplicity, and sight picture of the Armson OEG. I didn't like the brass deflecting off of the scope mount and taking the paint off the MINI-14 rear sight. But then a standard MINI-14 is not designed to properly mount a scope anyway. I don't believe the MINI-14 Ranch rifle is properly designed to take a scope either. In my opinion, it puts the scope up too high for a good cheek weld. And why did they have to go with Ruger scope ring mounts? They should have left the receiver flat with mounting screw holes where you could tack on a Weaver or Picatinney rail. 

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Well because it does work quite well in rapid response situations - I fitted one to a mates PAINTBALL gun - His "kill" rate went up. It's also CHEAP and if it's going to get severe knocking about - why not. But no, it's not an ACOG. Be good on tactical shotguns!

 

Chris,

 

I don't consider an Armson OEG cheap at $200 when for another $100 you can get an Aimpoint Comp C with no wandering dot.

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Originally posted by valleypine valleypine wrote:

Chris, I don't consider an Armson OEG cheap at $200 when for another $100 you can get an Aimpoint Comp C with no wandering dot.

200 bucks!! - Bl**dy hell - they've gone up ALOT. I think I was told rrp was about 120.  

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Originally posted by Chris(madrid) Chris(madrid) wrote:

Originally posted by valleypine valleypine wrote:

Chris, I don't consider an Armson OEG cheap at $200 when for another $100 you can get an Aimpoint Comp C with no wandering dot.

200 bucks!! - Bl**dy hell - they've gone up ALOT. I think I was told rrp was about 120.  

 

Chris,

 

I've got the max duty (small protective cage around the optical head) MINI-14 sight (sight and integral MINI-14 mounting bracket), so the sight would be a little more expensive than the conventional sight. I don't, however, have the tritium insert. I wouldn't mind the cost if the sight had worked for me.

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I agree 200 is pretty high when the MSRP is 169.00 on the AR03, and 179.00 on the AR04. I wouldn't trust them with your life. More for paintball use as mentioned or for real quick and rapid shooting ie paintball.
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Originally posted by Brady Brady wrote:

I agree 200 is pretty high when the MSRP is 169.00 on the AR03, and 179.00 on the AR04. I wouldn't trust them with your life. More for paintball use as mentioned or for real quick and rapid shooting ie paintball.

 

Brady,

 

I agree with you here. What confounds me is how the Armson OEG is advertised as a serious police or military sight. No one in their right mind should use one in a life or death situation when you've got a wandering dot.

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I just wanted to weigh in on this old forum and try to kick start it again, as usual there's the typical bs all forums have but some truth as well. I speak from experience when I make a few points; the Armson oeg sight is around 35 yrs old and it still kicks @$$. It was designed for moving targets, ever try to keep one of those in a see through optic and not lose your situational awareness? The Armson is still the undisputed fastest target aquisition sight available. Ever see news footage of our boys in the sand box engaging enemies with their aim point comps with their front lens cover on? They were replicating the effectiveness of the OEG. What other sight out there is virtually indestructible, uses no batteries, no electronics, is faster, and still around after 35 years? I'd really like to know! Thanks for taking the time to read this. Do your self a favor, get one , follow the directions spend a little time and ammunition then come back and post. Oh yeah, it does require stereoscopic vision to use one. $200 for this sight is a steal and think of all the ammo other accessories you can buy with the money you saved by not buying that $1000 rig. Don't be a brand ho
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