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Any input would be appreciated,
     I am considering one of these for a long range shooter in either 300 Win Mag or 338 Lapua. Neither of these would be very practical for hunting, but at the moment I think I am suffering from post election stress disorder- so practicality be darned.
    Which would be be best in terms of accuracy and value? Also, 338 or 300?
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Well, if you want a new toy for long range shooting, I'd say either one would fit your needs quite well. I'd have to give the nod to the BA 110, but I don't know if I could tell you with a straight face that it was a purely rational choice. Not saying there's anything wrong with either one mind you, I just think this is something of a Ford/Chevy decision.

I will say two very practical things though, and keep in mind that this is based on MY thoughts, experiences, viewpoints and prejudices.

First, I can think of no rational reason to buy one of these rifles in .300 Win Mag, and that's coming from someone who selected the weapons in his armory based on a communality of .308 caliber bullets. I'm not criticizing the .300WM either... it's a fine round that has done a lot of excellent work around the world in both military and civilian applications. I just think that the rifles you are looking at are a step up in Class from the Model 70 or 700 Class of rifles. I actually plan to add a Win Mag to my armory in the future, but it will be based on one of THOSE rifles, perhaps a Kimber.

No, if I were stepping up to one of those weapons you mentioned, I would go all the way to the .338 Lapua. Oh, and a reloading press if you don't have one already, because that gun doesn't shoot bullets, it shoots $5 bills.

Essentially my logic is this...

A .300 WM gets you up into a RANGE class of a .270, 7mmRM or similar round, or even a little beyond, with the hitting power of a full sized .30 caliber bullet. Kind of like a souped up .30-06 in a way, although obviously beyond the power levels a .30-06 can reach.

If you're spending the money one of those rifles you mentioned costs, then step up. Because the NEXT step beyond is really .408 Cheytac, .416 Barret or .50BMG. Again... My OPINION. I don't want to try to portray myself as some sort of guru.


The 2nd thing I would say is, if you're thinking in terms of a SHTF situation, I would strongly suggest that you give some thoughts as to what sort of role a weapon like that would play in your life.

Some people, and I'm not saying this is you, but some people would be thinking along the lines of defending your home or town against belligerents, possibly even the government. However, if you're talking about outlaws, those weapons are overkill, no pun intended. If you're talking about the GOVERNMENT... You can bet that if things go sideways that at least a third of the military will be in the loyalist category, which means they will still have snipers at their disposal. I promise you, and I'm speaking as a veteran; the FIRST loyalist soldier taken out with a high end weapon like that will get a counter-sniper team on your butt faster that Rosie O'Donnell can plow through a tub of ice cream.


More importantly, if you are thinking in terms of defending your home or town against outlaws, what you really want to have is a PDW, even if it's non-traditional. For instance, I have some Marlin Camp Carbines in .45acp to go along with my 1911's. I have ZERO trouble holding my rounds to minute-of-bad guy at 50 yards with the pistol and 100 yards with the carbine; all with interchangeable magazines.

Although, as a Sci-Fi nerd, I have to admit that I have been eying up the PS-90 at my local gun store.



I guess my thoughts come down to one basic concept.

Question yourself rigorously until you are as close as possible to being absolutely certain of WHY you are buying one of those rifles and if it seems to be a wise choice that will fit the needs you are trying to address.

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Great input! That makes sense that if I buy one of these rifles, I should step up to the 338.
Actually, your second point makes me think that the 338 lapua in Savage's long range hunter model (or something similar) would be a better fit. It would fill the "want" of an extreme long range thumper platform and also the "need" of something that I might actually use on a big game hunting trip.

Thanks for taking the time for the detail. I about chocked on my coffee when I read your Rosie O'Donnell analogy!
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Sorry about that. It's always a shame to waste good coffee.

Or hell, even bad coffee.
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Not sure if you made your purchase by now or not, but I shoot 300 win as well as 338 Lapua. My 300 have been dust collectors for the past year since I started shooting the 338 LM. If you pick up a quality rifle in this caliber you will have a lot of fun. Sure its an expensive round to shoot but if you can afford the rifle then you can afford to shoot it. The 338 LM is not for the novice or the penny pinchers. Reloading is a must, but again...if your going to shoot this caliber your probably already reloading. A box of loaded ammo runs around $120.00 per box of 20 so reloading is kind of a given. I have been the proud owner of 3 rifles in this caliber. A Les Baer, Savage 110 with an H-S precision stock and newest is an Armalite AR-30A1. I recently parted ways with the Savage. It was a wonderful rifle and grouped quite nice with 250 gr. Berger's as well as 300 gr. Berger's. BUT!!!!.... it did not like Hornady brass. taking a cleaning rod with me to the local shooting range was not only for cleaning the rifle but to knock out a stuck in the chamber, Hornady case. kinda of embarrassing when your fellow shooters are watching you and wondering what the hell your doing. I made the switch to Lapua brass and didn't have any more of these kind of issues. BUT my other rifles do great with Hornady brass. Its the rifle. Savage wont admit it, but its the rifle. I'm one of may guys that have discovered this problem.

Contrary to most peoples thoughts on using the 338 as a hunting rifle, I use it for especially that. I haven't seen a 338 LM that is NOT heavy. Its just part of it. I will say this though... neither elk, deer or oryx I have shot have yet to walk away after being hit by the 338 LM. It hits EXTREAMLY hard with a lot of energy. For that reason I don't hunt much with my smaller caliber rifles anymore.

Bottom line:

These are expensive rifles in every way. Your not going to put a Barska scope on it and your not going to go to your local Wal-Mart and buy a box of ammo. Your going to spend another 1500 to 2200 on a scope and your going to reload for it. This caliber hits steel and animal flesh with authority. And its just plain fun to shoot.





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Bryan,
 
How do you like the muzzle brake on the AR30A1 Big Smile
 
I swear mine kicks less than a 22-250
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Great reading guys,lots of great info......Thanks
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I would go with the Savage 10 BA in 338 That is a kick but gun. YES you will need to reload them. Unless you have a very good nest egg. GOOD LUCK 
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