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Trying to decide on a new scope for my rifle.  Options include:

US Optics SN-3 3.2-17 ERGO US#3 Knobs and RDP Reticle

Nightforce NXS 3.5-15 F1

Any others in that price range?

Use will be mostly on the range but I will take to the field when I can.

Should I consider the EREK
and or T-PAL?

Thanks!


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EREK   HELL YES
 
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Hope it helps:

1.  EREK is, in my humble estimation, the best elevation turret on the market today.  The "zero stop"
function isn't the simplest to set, but it is usable.  The click values are perfect, the click tension is perfect, it is all but impossible to get lost on the dial.

2.  US Optics makes a pretty good scope and offers great customer service.  The glass quality isn't the greatest, but the scopes are more than usable.   The greatest value to the scope is in your capacity to completely customize it.

3.  Nightforce F1 is a great scope, their stuff has been great for years, not much risk in buying Nightforce, but the price is getting high - in my opinion.

4.  Consider Premier Heritage, the glass is better than Nightforce and US Optics, the turrets are great (not as good as EREK, but much better than most), the illumination is great, the controls are great, and the glass is among the very best in the industry.

5.  For the very best, Hensoldt is it.  But you pay for it.


I have a Premier on my AR10 (on the Aadmount - I would seriously consider the aadmount for your SASS.)
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when you add the tpal and erek to the uso your starting into S$B, premier, stuff. I like/use the erek on the uso I use, in shooting steel that varies in distance between each shot. If your not doing this a lot the standard set up is maybe more  suitable. To me the click stops don't "roll" off the dial as well as the NF, or the S&b I use. Also , if USO has a reticle you really like-- thats enough reason alone.
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Drool...

So the opinion is the glass on the US Optic is not that good?
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Originally posted by Old Glory Old Glory wrote:

Drool...

So the opinion is the glass on the US Optic is not that good?
 
I think the USO has good glass.
 
I placed my USO against a guys NF NXS one day at the range.
HE thought the USO had better glass and I couldn't tell the difference, too be honest. Too close for me to call.   
 
To me, the USO's main features are the EREK knob, adjustable objective, (I'm a lefty), and its rock solid construction. I also liked the MOA reticle.
It's glass quality is more then adequate, IMO. (shrug)  
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USO's glass is more than serviceable, no question.  It is not on the same level as the very best glass in the industry, but it offers things that you cannot get from any other (reputable) scope manufacturer.

Many here have owned and do own USO's, they are good scopes.    The SN3 in question stacks up nicely against the NF F1, both are very solid.  In the end, it will come down to preference. 

My point was simply this: if you are going to spend about $2500 on a scope, look at Premier too.  I am not taking anything away from NF or USO (I have owned both and like both), just mentioning a great "option#3."
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Would you recommend leupold? Or an accupoint?
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I will not recommend any Leupold, they break. Often.  And you pay for more scope than you get.

The 5-20X Accupoint is a good scope, but the reticle is a little thicker than I like, the elevation adjustment isn't too generous, and I absolutely hate anything >20X unless it is dedicated long range work (which a SASS should not be.)  On the "plus" side for the Trijicon, the glass is nice, the illumination is always a good thing, the turrets track true, the scope is not too big or heavy (actually quite svelte by tactical standards), and it is your only Accupoint option with target turrets.  I would not put it in the same category as the NF or USO or Premier, but for the price, it is a nice little scope.  (i had my 5-20 on my AR10 prior to the premier.)


If you do decide to go USO, definitely get the EREK and tpal, money VERY well spent.  I disagree with Dale on the EREK for quick target engagement only, I like it for slow shots too - actually, I like it for anything, just a great turret, my all-time favorite.  I agree the clicks aren't as smooth as NF, but i like them more, more feedback, more definition.

Is there a budget ceiling?
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Thank you for your responses.  My budget is around $2,500 but should really be less.  Ramen and pancakes for dinner for a while is not so bad.Roll Eyes

I have a 1-4 Accupoint on a SIG 556 and I like it.  I will look at the 5-20 as an option, as well as the premier.

Thanks!


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I have an ERGO and a TPAL and like both but they are for different applications.  For a pure target rig I would say go ERGO as its a bit more forgiving.  EREK ... Once you figure out how to setup the EREK and your erector ... life is great.  I agree that if you get all the bells and whistles in a USO you can get into serious $$.  The thing that keeps me coming back is the ability to build the optic exactly how I want it ...

Internal Bubble
Left Side windage
Reticle of choice
ERGO or TPAL
etc
etc
 
Build the rifle to fit the application ... why not do the same with your optic Big Grin
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Hi guys thanks for all the feedback.  I have been reading older posts here and decided I do not need to overspend on a scope.

I am looking to learn how to become a good precision marksman and I do not think I am ready to dive in to a customized high-end scope without knowing what I want and why I want it.

I have the rifle and a need a good scope for it.  I will be taking a Precision Rifle Course at the Sig Academy in the Spring and a need a good scope to learn on that will hold up to the course.  After reading the posts and looking at scopes online I think I want the Nightforce 3.5-15 x50 for around $1,500 (no zero stop nice but not necessary).  The course will be out to 400 yards, but my home range is 100 yards and that is where I will do most of my practice.  I will have to find other locations to stretch it out further than that. 

Based on my limited use of scopes I think I like a finer reticle that does not obscure the target but that may be a wrong way to go.  I was thinking of the NP-R2.  It has a fine cross-hair and is MOA to match the knobs.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?  Is the mil-dot in only mils or does it come in MOA?

I would get a Super Sniper if it came in a higher magnification.

Thanks for all your help!


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Hi went with Nightforce 3.5-15x50 NP-R2 reticle zero stop.

Thanks for all your advice
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That was a great choice. Good luck with the course!
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